[Pythonmac-SIG] Re: IDE recommendation

Lee Cullens lee_cullens at mac.com
Thu Mar 31 08:52:47 CEST 2005

Just an update Russel,

I was getting bored going through the TextWrangler docs, and 
remembering that I had not even looked at the SubEthaEdit docs when I 
used it went back to check out what you said further.  First, of 
course, such is something that can be set in the perfs and per 
document.  I found that the only case (that I tried) where I could get 
into trouble with line endings was as per your note of pasting in text 
that contained CR line endings and that is an issue that might be 
troublesome (depending on one's intentions) with many text editors.  
I'm sure you already know that showing "hidden" characters is prudent 
in such copying.  I also noted in my tests that such is the difference 
between PythonIDE (uses LF)  and IDLE (uses CR), and why only a new-be 
dummy like me would mix them.

TextWrangler is (to me) too much like its big brother - a do-all 
"develop it yourself" sandbox.  Great if that's what your into, but a 
sidetrack to me.  For the moment I'll stick with the simpler 
SubEthaEdit which I can even use in Terminal (instead of Pico).   
Besides I liked "The Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy" (origin of Sub 
Etha) - was it the late 70's or the 80's they serialized it on PBS (I'm 
forgetting too much)?

Lee C

On Mar 30, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:

> <snip>
> Warning: SubEthaEdit does not enforce a line ending convention. That's
> probably OK for Python source code, but can be a headache in other
> contexts.
> Example: set SubEthaEdit to enter \n when you type <return> (the unix
> line ending convention). Then paste in text from any standard Mac app
> and notice that the pasted text uses \r as a line ending.
> SubEthaEdit is the only text editor I've seen that has this bizarre
> behavior and I stopped using it because of that (it was causing
> mysterious failures when checking in svn comments, which is how I
> stumbled across the problem).
> I recommend TextWrangler as a "must-have" free editor, though I hate 
> the
> find/replace dialog box enough to not use it for coding. TextMate looks
> promising but is not yet polished. Pepper is superb but no longer
> supported. XCode takes forever to launch.
> -- Russell
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