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[Piotr Kamiński]

Dnia 10-06-2011 o 12:25:34 Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info>
napisał(a):

> Vincent Balmori wrote:
>> I'm stuck on two problems from the Absolute Beginners book. The first  
>> is simple. I am trying to print all the words in the list in random  
>> order without repeats, but it always shows None for some reason.
>>  #Program prints list of words in random order with no repeats
>>  import random
>>  #List of words
>>  list = ["first", "second", "third", "fourth","fifth"]
>>  #Randomize word order
>>  order = random.shuffle(list)

...

>
> sondad = {
>      "Vincent": "Ramon",
>      "Ramon": "Lolo",
>      "Hermes": "Zeus",
>      "Apollo": "Zeus",
>      "Zeus": "Cronus",
>      "Cronus": "Uranus",
>      "Jesus": "God the Demiurge, the false God",
>      "God the Demiurge, the false God":
>          "God the Monad, the One, The Absolute, Bythos, Aion teleos",
...


Could you please refrain from presenting your *religious* convictions in
this list: the notions you believe in as well as the ones that you believe
are false?

This is a *technical* list, as I understand it, solely dedicated to the
technical side of teaching the *Python* programming language and
*programming* in general. I would like to keep it this way and I believe
there are many persons or at least a number of people constituting a
minority (or, likely, a silent majority) sharing my views in this respect.

What is more, I am profoundly convinced that there are many other mailing
lists and/or sites on the Internet, specifically dedicated to debating
various religious, worldview and philosophical issues.


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As an aside, I have noticed that you tend to simply criticise Christianity
as being unscientific and "false" and you do not bother to mention the
religion or the philosophical or scientific belief system that you believe
in.

That seems to be quite a simplistic, unsophisticated form of ideological
*intolerance* characteristic at best of a religious/philosophical zealot.

As I have said I do not know the name of your belief system, however
before you start to bash a belief system (and criticise it without giving
any reason and without *constructively* suggesting your alternative),
please first take due care to become familiar with e.g. Karl Popper's
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper) views on: Marxism, Darwinism
and Christianity.

Notice that he gives reasons (the theory of *falsifiability*) why he
thinks Marxist historical materialism and its idea of the progress of
humanity is *unscientific*. That does not put the ideas of
*"progressiveness"* of the New Left in a good light, does it? Especially
when compared with Popper's views on Christianity. That must seem scary
and blasphemous for leftists to distinguish the similarities between
(Neo)marxism and Christianity... Thus that is why some philosophers see
the varied (neo)marxist movements as denominations of the
*non-traditional* Marxist *religion*, in a way similar to the diverse
denominations of Christianity.

The similarity between the two religions ends at this point, since their
goals differ completely. A lot more can be said about them. I will not
elaborate on the subject, as I realise that I am as likely to convince a
leftist of Christianity's truthfulness (and vice versa, i.e. a Christian
of leftism's truthfulness), as one is likely to convince a Muslim of
Christianity's truthfulness (and vice versa, i.e. a Christian of Islam's
truthfulness).

Lastly, I believe that a young person looking for non-simplistic
intellectual answers has to *consciously* discover them evaluating on
his/her own the Christian, Marxist, etc. religions and/or ideologies.

As to my person, I am a Christian and I also highly value, the few that
exist, patriotic, politically independence-oriented representatives of
anticommunist, antitotalitarian (i.e. the people that are against both the  
German
*national* __socialism__ and the Soviet *international* __socialism__)
Left who are not "useful idiots", easily indoctrinated by the Neosoviets
and other totalitarian Left.

That is my outlook on religious and ideological matters. I have wanted it
to be known, so I have mentioned it *once* (Steven provoked my response).
I do not intend to remind you repeatedly how I despise the genocidal
totalitarian Left (e.g. that starved to death *5 - 6 million people* in  
Ukraine in 1932 - 1933 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor )) or  
pseudo liberal leftist denominations. If I ever feel a need for that, I  
can easily find a dedicated Internet forum and express
my views in this thematic scope. I am quite sure nobody needs my repeated
ideological propaganda *in this mailing list*; let me know if I am wrong...

One last thought, Steven, you might also find useful the section (of the
Wikipedia article on Karl Popper) on the paradox of tolerance and on the
subject of unlimited tolerance, as it seems particularly relevant to you
in the light of your visible ideological intolerance.


Piotr