On Wed, 15 May 2019 at 15:56, Victor Stinner <vstinner@redhat.com> wrote:
Hi Paul, Le mer. 15 mai 2019 à 11:40, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> a écrit :
Also, is there an archive of the discussions anywhere? The PEP says discussions happened on Zulip, but I don't follow that and I don't know where I can find an archived copy of the discussions.
Well, the PEP has been discussed a lot at many places since May 2018.
Thanks for all of these. I appreciate the time you took locating them for me. But I do have to say that I still can't really follow any useful "thread of discussion" - it all seems very fragmented, and it's difficult to see the progress towards consensus. Maybe that's just because I'm too used to mailing lists :-)
The PEP 581 has been (first?) discussed at the Language Summit which was part of Pycon US 2018 (May 2018).
Was that written up, or is it all just from people's memories by now?
Ah - I don't really follow this sort of PR discussion, as the github emails don't tend to have sufficient context on what's being said, so I (mostly) gave up a long time ago. Also, I tend to assume that discussions on PRs are mostly about details of wording, and substantive changes will be dealt with in a wider forum. I wonder if I should be following PRs on the PEPs repository more closely...?
Multiple threads on Discourse:
https://discuss.python.org/t/move-pep-581-discussion/873 https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-581-using-github-issues/535 https://discuss.python.org/t/what-are-next-steps-for-pep-581/864 https://discuss.python.org/t/pep-process-after-pep-8016/558/4
Thread on python-dev:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2019-March/156626.html
Threads on python-committers:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-May/005428.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-June/005506.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005657.html
I saw these, but didn't get much of a sense of progress towards agreement. Again, maybe just because they were lots of fragmented threads and locations.
Discussion on Zulip Chat:
I can't see this without logging in :-(
The Steering Council discussed it internally as well:
https://github.com/python/steering-council/blob/master/updates/2019-04-26_st...
I did see that, I was more wondering what led to that decision (whether it was a general consensus from the core devs that it was a good move, or mainly the SC's own view that prevailed).
The PEP 581 and 588 have been discussed at the Language Summit which was part of Pycon US 2019 (2 weeks ago).
Again, has there been any write up of that (yet)? As I say, I don't object to the decision, I'm more just trying to better understand the process of being involved under the new regime of the SC, combined with multiple fragmented forums for discussion. It feels a lot harder these days to keep track of all the discussions/decisions going on. But maybe that's a good thing - only people with a genuine interest get involved, and I can spend less of my time reading mailing lists! :-) Paul