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Any way to express that a dict is expected to have a key(s) but don't care about other keys?
by Brett Cannon 20 Jun '23

20 Jun '23

Looking at TypedDict it seems that it does not like the idea of superfluous keys existing in a dict. In my case I have a REST call returning JSON for an error and all I'm guaranteed is to get an "error" key. But there may be extra keys that provide more details about the specific error. Unfortunately I don't know the exhaustive list of keys so I can't use a TypedDict with `totality == False` to try to be complete. I can't think of any way to somehow say "require/expect this one key, but other keys are OK". Am I missing anything that would let me do this?

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Runtime Access to Type Parameters
by Saul Shanabrook 07 Jun '23

07 Jun '23

I would like to propose being able to access, at runtime, the type parameters in classmethods and in constructors. I wrote up a draft PEP on this to capture the thinking here: https://github.com/saulshanabrook/peps/blob/master/pep-9999.md It seems easier to add them to classmethods, so even that addition alone would be very welcome! It could be added to Guido's existing draft PR for pep 585, by making a small change in the getattr function (https://github.com/python/cpython/pull/18239/files#diff-a34ae826f869897e56e…), to first do a `__getattribute__` and check if the result is a descriptor (has a `__get__` attribute), and if so passing the generic class itself in as the class, instead of the origin class. I wrote up a little example of that in the PEP. To make it available in the constructor, I proposed adding a global function `get_parameters` to `typing` which returns the parameters in the constructor. I also provide a little mock implementation of that. Note that work is only for custom classes which inherit from `typing.Generic` not for any built in collections.

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Explicit Type Aliases
by Shannon Zhu 17 Aug '22

17 Aug '22

Hi everyone, I’d like to continue the discussion from our last typing summit on explicit type aliases. A quick summary of the current state and the proposal -- Current state: ``` from typing import List x = List[int] # considered a type alias y : Type[List[int]] = List[int] # considered an expression z : Any # considered a type alias z : x = [] # fine z : y = [] # invalid type error ``` Proposal (with explicit aliases): ``` from typing import List, TypeAlias x = TypeAlias[List[int]] # considered a type alias y = List[int] # considered an expression z : Any # considered an expression z = TypeAlias[Any] # considered a type alias reveal_type(x) # Type[List[int]] reveal_type(y) # Any (return type of __getitem__) z : x = [] # fine z : y = [] # invalid type error ``` Some of the benefits we’re hoping to gain from explicit type aliases: * Clearly distinguish between an unannotated global assignment and a type alias, especially when parsing forward-referencing string annotations. * Avoid the confusing case of type aliases in which some part of the type is invalid or undefined. This would facilitate warnings on invalid types at the alias definition rather than later on when the alias is used. * Make valid and invalid types more intuitive to Python programmers by shifting from delineation of non-aliases with a meta annotation toward delineation of aliases with `TypeAlias`. * Remove special treatment of values annotated as `Any`, which currently break all type aliasing rules. This will also allow us to clean up some of the distinctions we maintain between unannotated values and explicit Anys. Note: We also considered denoting the alias as an annotation (e.g. `x: TypeAlias = int`) as an alternative to the syntax above. I’m interested to hear your thoughts and suggestions on making type aliasing explicit going forward – we’d like to start implementing a version of this in Pyre soon! Shannon

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PEP 655: Marking individual TypedDict items as required or potentially-missing
by David Foster 23 Feb '22

23 Feb '22

The new syntax Required[...] and NotRequired[...] for marking individual keys of a TypedDict has now been formally proposed as a draft PEP. Please see the latest text at the bottom of this email, or online at: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0655/ Comments welcome. :) Meanwhile I'll proceed to implement this syntax in mypy. -- David Foster | Seattle, WA, USA Contributor to TypedDict support for mypy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PEP: 655 Title: Marking individual TypedDict items as required or potentially-missing Author: David Foster <david at dafoster.net> Sponsor: Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> Discussions-To: typing-sig at python.org Status: Draft Type: Standards Track Content-Type: text/x-rst Requires: 604 Created: 30-Jan-2021 Python-Version: 3.10 Post-History: 31-Jan-2021, 11-Feb-2021, 20-Feb-2021, 26-Feb-2021 Abstract ======== `PEP 589 <https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0589/>`__ defines syntax for declaring a TypedDict with all required keys and syntax for defining a TypedDict with `all potentially-missing keys <https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0589/#totality>`__ however it does not provide any syntax to declare some keys as required and others as potentially-missing. This PEP introduces two new syntaxes: ``Required[...]`` which can be used on individual items of a TypedDict to mark them as required, and ``NotRequired[...]`` which can be used on individual items to mark them as potentially-missing. Motivation ========== It is not uncommon to want to define a TypedDict with some keys that are required and others that are potentially-missing. Currently the only way to define such a TypedDict is to declare one TypedDict with one value for ``total`` and then inherit it from another TypedDict with a different value for ``total``: :: class _MovieBase(TypedDict): # implicitly total=True title: str class Movie(_MovieBase, total=False): year: int Having to declare two different TypedDict types for this purpose is cumbersome. Rationale ========= One might think it unusual to propose syntax that prioritizes marking *required* keys rather than syntax for *potentially-missing* keys, as is customary in other languages like TypeScript: :: interface Movie { title: string; year?: number; // ? marks potentially-missing keys } The difficulty is that the best word for marking a potentially-missing key, ``Optional[...]``, is already used in Python for a completely different purpose: marking values that could be either of a particular type or ``None``. In particular the following does not work: :: class Movie(TypedDict): ... year: Optional[int] # means int|None, not potentially-missing! Attempting to use any synonym of “optional” to mark potentially-missing keys (like ``Missing[...]``) would be too similar to ``Optional[...]`` and be easy to confuse with it. Thus it was decided to focus on positive-form phrasing for required keys instead, which is straightforward to spell as ``Required[...]``. Nevertheless it is common for folks wanting to extend a regular (``total=True``) TypedDict to only want to add a small number of potentially-missing keys, which necessitates a way to mark keys that are *not* required and potentially-missing, and so we also allow the ``NotRequired[...]`` form for that case. Specification ============= The ``typing.Required`` type qualifier is used to indicate that a variable declared in a TypedDict definition is a required key: :: class Movie(TypedDict, total=False): title: Required[str] year: int Additionally the ``typing.NotRequired`` type qualifier is used to indicate that a variable declared in a TypedDict definition is a potentially-missing key: :: class Movie(TypedDict): # implicitly total=True title: str year: NotRequired[int] It is an error to use ``Required[...]`` or ``NotRequired[...]`` in any location that is not an item of a TypedDict. It is valid to use ``Required[...]`` and ``NotRequired[...]`` even for items where it is redundant, to enable additional explicitness if desired: :: class Movie(TypedDict): title: Required[str] # redundant year: NotRequired[int] Backwards Compatibility ======================= No backward incompatible changes are made by this PEP. How to Teach This ================= To define a TypedDict where most keys are required and some are potentially-missing, define a single TypedDict as normal and mark those few keys that are potentially-missing with ``NotRequired[...]``. To define a TypedDict where most keys are potentially-missing and a few are required, define a ``total=False`` TypedDict and mark those few keys that are required with ``Required[...]``. If some items accept ``None`` in addition to a regular value, it is recommended that the ``TYPE|None`` syntax be preferred over ``Optional[TYPE]`` for marking such item values, to avoid using ``Required[...]`` or ``NotRequired[...]`` alongside ``Optional[...]`` within the same TypedDict definition: Yes: :: from __future__ import annotations # for Python 3.7-3.9 class Dog(TypedDict): name: str owner: NotRequired[str|None] Avoid (unless Python 3.5-3.6): :: class Dog(TypedDict): name: str # ick; avoid using both Optional and NotRequired owner: NotRequired[Optional[str]] Reference Implementation ======================== The goal is to be able to make the following statement: The `mypy <http://www.mypy-lang.org/>`__ type checker supports ``Required`` and ``NotRequired``. A reference implementation of the runtime component is provided in the `typing_extensions <https://github.com/python/typing/tree/master/typing_extensions>`__ module. The mypy implementation is currently still being worked on. Rejected Ideas ============== Special syntax around the *key* of a TypedDict item --------------------------------------------------- :: class MyThing(TypedDict): opt1?: str # may not exist, but if exists, value is string opt2: Optional[str] # always exists, but may have null value or: :: class MyThing(TypedDict): Optional[opt1]: str # may not exist, but if exists, value is string opt2: Optional[str] # always exists, but may have null value These syntaxes would require Python grammar changes and it is not believed that marking TypedDict items as required or potentially-missing would meet the high bar required to make such grammar changes. Also, “let’s just not put funny syntax before the colon.” [1]_ Marking required or potentially-missing keys with an operator ------------------------------------------------------------- We could use unary ``+`` as shorthand to mark a required key, unary ``-`` to mark a potentially-missing key, or unary ``~`` to mark a key with opposite-of-normal totality: :: class MyThing(TypedDict, total=False): req1: +int # + means a required key, or Required[...] opt1: str req2: +float class MyThing(TypedDict): req1: int opt1: -str # - means a potentially-missing key, or NotRequired[...] req2: float class MyThing(TypedDict): req1: int opt1: ~str # ~ means a opposite-of-normal-totality key req2: float Such operators could be implemented on ``type`` via the ``__pos__``, ``__neg__`` and ``__invert__`` special methods without modifying the grammar. It was decided that it would be prudent to introduce longform syntax (i.e. ``Required[...]`` and ``NotRequired[...]``) before introducing any shortform syntax. Future PEPs may reconsider introducing this or other shortform syntax options. Marking absence of a value with a special constant -------------------------------------------------- We could introduce a new type-level constant which signals the absence of a value when used as a union member, similar to JavaScript’s ``undefined`` type, perhaps called ``Missing``: :: class MyThing(TypedDict): req1: int opt1: str|Missing req2: float Such a ``Missing`` constant could also be used for other scenarios such as the type of a variable which is only conditionally defined: :: class MyClass: attr: int|Missing def __init__(self, set_attr: bool) -> None: if set_attr: self.attr = 10 :: def foo(set_attr: bool) -> None: if set_attr: attr = 10 reveal_type(attr) # int|Missing Misalignment with how unions apply to values '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' However this use of ``...|Missing``, equivalent to ``Union[..., Missing]``, doesn’t align well with what a union normally means: ``Union[...]`` always describes the type of a *value* that is present. By contrast missingness or non-totality is a property of a *variable* instead. Current precedent for marking properties of a variable include ``Final[...]`` and ``ClassVar[...]``, which the proposal for ``Required[...]`` is aligned with. Misalignment with how unions are subdivided ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Furthermore the use of ``Union[..., Missing]`` doesn’t align with the usual ways that union values are broken down: Normally you can eliminate components of a union type using ``isinstance`` checks: :: class Packet: data: Union[str, bytes] def send_data(packet: Packet) -> None: if isinstance(packet.data, str): reveal_type(packet.data) # str packet_bytes = packet.data.encode('utf-8') else: reveal_type(packet.data) # bytes packet_bytes = packet.data socket.send(packet_bytes) However if we were to allow ``Union[..., Missing]`` you’d either have to eliminate the ``Missing`` case with ``hasattr`` for object attributes: :: class Packet: data: Union[str, Missing] def send_data(packet: Packet) -> None: if hasattr(packet, 'data'): reveal_type(packet.data) # str packet_bytes = packet.data.encode('utf-8') else: reveal_type(packet.data) # Missing? error? packet_bytes = b'' socket.send(packet_bytes) or a check against ``locals()`` for local variables: :: def send_data(packet_data: Optional[str]) -> None: packet_bytes: Union[str, Missing] if packet_data is not None: packet_bytes = packet.data.encode('utf-8') if 'packet_bytes' in locals(): reveal_type(packet_bytes) # bytes socket.send(packet_bytes) else: reveal_type(packet_bytes) # Missing? error? or a check via other means, such as against ``globals()`` for global variables: :: warning: Union[str, Missing] import sys if sys.version_info < (3, 6): warning = 'Your version of Python is unsupported!' if 'warning' in globals(): reveal_type(warning) # str print(warning) else: reveal_type(warning) # Missing? error? Weird and inconsistent. ``Missing`` is not really a value at all; it’s an absence of definition and such an absence should be treated specially. Difficult to implement '''''''''''''''''''''' Eric Traut from the Pyright type checker team has stated that implementing a ``Union[..., Missing]``-style syntax would be difficult. [2]_ Introduces a second null-like value into Python ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Defining a new ``Missing`` type-level constant would be very close to introducing a new ``Missing`` value-level constant at runtime, creating a second null-like runtime value in addition to ``None``. Having two different null-like constants in Python (``None`` and ``Missing``) would be confusing. Many newcomers to JavaScript already have difficulty distinguishing between its analogous constants ``null`` and ``undefined``. Replace Optional with Nullable. Repurpose Optional to mean “optional item”. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ``Optional[...]`` is too ubiquitous to deprecate. Although use of it *may* fade over time in favor of the ``T|None`` syntax specified by `PEP 604 <https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0604/>`__. Change Optional to mean “optional item” in certain contexts instead of “nullable” --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Consider the use of a special flag on a TypedDict definition to alter the interpretation of ``Optional`` inside the TypedDict to mean “optional item” rather than its usual meaning of “nullable”: :: class MyThing(TypedDict, optional_as_missing=True): req1: int opt1: Optional[str] or: :: class MyThing(TypedDict, optional_as_nullable=False): req1: int opt1: Optional[str] This would add more confusion for users because it would mean that in *some* contexts the meaning of ``Optional[...]`` is different than in other contexts, and it would be easy to overlook the flag. Various synonyms for “potentially-missing item” ----------------------------------------------- - Omittable – too easy to confuse with optional - OptionalItem, OptionalKey – two words; too easy to confuse with optional - MayExist, MissingOk – two words - Droppable – too similar to Rust’s ``Drop``, which means something different - Potential – too vague - Open – sounds like applies to an entire structure rather then to an item - Excludable - Checked References ========== .. [1] https://mail.python.org/archives/list/typing-sig@python.org/message/4I3GPIW… .. [2] https://mail.python.org/archives/list/typing-sig@python.org/message/S2VJSVG… Copyright ========= This document is placed in the public domain or under the CC0-1.0-Universal license, whichever is more permissive. .. Local Variables: mode: indented-text indent-tabs-mode: nil sentence-end-double-space: t fill-column: 70 coding: utf-8 End: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Support for sealed classes
by Adrian Freund 19 Aug '21

19 Aug '21

Hello typing-sig, I wanted to suggest adding support for sealed classes to the python type system. What are sealed classes? Sealed classes are classes of which all subclasses are known statically. This is usually accomplished by requiring all subclasses to be created in the same file/module as the parent class. What languages support sealed classes? Sealed classes are supported by C#, Kotlin and starting with Java 15 even by Java. What can sealed classes be used for? Sealed classes are useful for checking the exhaustiveness of if/else towers and (python 3.10) match statements for example when working with abstract syntax trees. Take a look at this example: ``` class Node(ABC): ... class Value(Node): ... class BinOp(Node): ... class UnOp(Node): ... n: Node match n: case Value(v): ... case BinOp(n1, op, n2): ... case UnOp(op, n1): ... # Can we statically check if all cases are handled? ``` Sealed classes in python: My suggestion would be to add a new class "Sealed" to typing and typing_extensions that can be inherited from: class Node(Sealed): ... Type checkers should make sure that no subclasses of Node are created in modules other than the module Node was created in and should treat sealed classes as abstract classes. Additionally they can keep track of all the subclasses of Node do implement exhaustiveness checking. The runtime implementation of sealed could also prevent non-typechecked code from creating additional subclasses: ``` class Sealed(ABC): def __init_subclass__(cls): for c in cls.__mro__: if Sealed in c.__bases__ and c.__module__ != cls.__module__: raise RuntimeError('Sealed class can\'t be subclassed from another module. Sealed in module "{}".'.format(c.__module__)) ``` Final example: a.py: ``` from typing import Sealed class Base(Sealed): pass class A(Base): pass class B(A): pass ``` b.py: ``` from a import Base, A class C(Base): # raises an exception pass class D(A): # also raises an exception pass ``` Adrian Freund

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Support for type checking fixed width integers
by Arun Sharma 07 Aug '21

07 Aug '21

I'm aware that the python3 type system primarily supports arbitrary precision integers and there is no support for type checking fixed width integers. However, when python is used as an approachable first language for data scientists, scientists interested in numerical analysis and possibly other generic use cases, one common technique is to map python's type system to that of a lower level underlying system. I'm primarily coming at it from the third use case in the form of py2many, a transpiler for converting python to many statically typed C-like languages. I suspect pytorch, tensorflow or anything that maps python to vectorized hardware efficiently has to deal with the precision of integers. Canonical use case: ``` #!/usr/bin/env python3 from ctypes import c_int8 as i8 def test(): a: i8 = 10 b: i8 = 20 c = a + b reveal_type(c) ``` Also would love to have type checkers infer ranges and throw errors for cases like: c: i8 = 300 Doing so would significantly benefit the use case of generating secure C++/Rust code from python source: https://github.com/adsharma/py2many/issues/233 Eric Traut suggested I post to the mailing list. More context here: https://github.com/microsoft/pyright/issues/1872 -Arun

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Why does TypedDict not have a MRO
by Nils K 31 May '21

31 May '21

This recently came up in https://bugs.python.org/issue41249. The problem described in the issue is that `get_type_hints` does not work on a TypedDict if it subclasses a TypedDict from another module which contains string annotations and has different globals than the module from which `get_type_hints` is called. As `get_type_hint` is unable to access the MRO of the class it is unable to access those globals. Given that postponed evaluation is now the default this is even more problematic. However what is the reason that TypedDict do not preserve MRO?

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PEP 646 interesting case
by Guido van Rossum 30 May '21

30 May '21

I came across a case where I think PEP 646 would provide relief, but I don't know how to spell it. Suppose we have a class Property[T]: ``` class Property(Generic[T]): ... ``` Now we have a function tuples that takes several Property arguments with different type parameters and returns a Property whose type parameter is a Tuple: ``` def tuples(*possibilities: Possibility[?]) -> Possibility[?]: ``` The idea is that you call ``` p1: Possibility[int] p2: Possibility[str] p = tuples(p1, p2) reveal_type(p) # Possibility[Tuple[int, str]] ``` Somehow I can't figure out how we're supposed to write that with PEP 646. The best I can come up with is ``` def tuples(*possibilities: *Possibility[*Ts]) -> Possibility[Tuple[*Ts]]:` ``` but the first `*Ts` feels wrong -- it looks as if Possibility takes multiple type parameters, but that's not the case. Somehow my brain wants to use a loop construct, e.g. ``` def tuples(*possibilities: *Possibility[T] for T in Ts) -> Possibility[Tuple[*Ts]]: ``` Does anyone recall how this is supposed to be handled? Or was it put off till a later PEP? (That would be a shame, since this is the first variadic signature I've encountered in the wild in a long time.) PS. If you really want to know: https://github.com/DRMacIver/minithesis/pull/9 -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) *Pronouns: he/him **(why is my pronoun here?)* <http://feministing.com/2015/02/03/how-using-they-as-a-singular-pronoun-can-…>

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Python Type System Documentation
by Shannon Zhu 25 May '21

25 May '21

There was some discussion last week during the typing summit of putting together common documentation for the Python type system that is both type checker agnostic and more centralized than chasing down pieces of PEPs. This could also address some of the common concerns raised around providing context on type annotations in Python for developers new to the language, and where to get started in a world where more than one type checker exists. If we can get a documentation source that the larger Python community has contributed to and agrees on, I could see this providing a lot of value to new and existing users of types in the language. I recall there was a suggestion during the summit to get this started as a subdirectory of the typing repository (https://github.com/python/typing), where we can incrementally iterate, then potentially moving a more finished version to somewhere discoverable alongside other python docs. I’m curious to hear any thoughts or suggestions on the high level idea. Pending that, are there any concerns with getting started by creating a skeleton for common docs in the typing repository? I imagine just carving out a place to collaborate on this would be a helpful starting point, so incremental progress and discussion is possible. Is anyone interested in contributing, or have other suggestions around how to organize the effort? I’ve posted a message with mostly the same content in the docs community issue that Carol started after the typing summit. This could also be a good place to continue the discussion in a way that’s more visible outside the typing mailing list: https://github.com/python/docs-community/issues/8 Shannon

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Creating a Protocol from a normal class
by James Perretta 24 May '21

24 May '21

Hi everyone, One of the rejected ideas in PEP 544 is being able to define a Protocol that inherits from a normal class (https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0544/#protocols-subclassing-normal-clas…). I've been thinking about a potential new feature that could accomplish more or less the same thing without running into the transitivity issue described in PEP 544. I'm sure there are some considerations I've missed, but I'd love to hear what you all think. In short, we'd introduce a +`.from()` method to typing.Protocol that takes in a class and returns a new Protocol with the same interface as that class. ``` from typing import Protocol class SomeClass: def some_method(self) -> None: pass class SomeClassProtocol(Protocol.from(SomeClass)): def another_method(self) -> None: ... ``` Static type checkers would in this case determine that SomeClassProtocol is a Protocol with two methods (some_method and another_method). If SomeClass and SomeClassProtocol both define a method with the same name, the one defined in SomeClassProtocol would take precedence. The next thing to think about would be: - Should the result of Protocol.from(SomeClass) only include SomeClass's methods, or should it include methods and attributes? - By default, I think it should probably include methods and attributes. There could possibly be an optional argument to Protocol.from() that toggles whether attributes are included, something like: `Protocol.fom(SomeClass, include_attrs=False)` - Should it include only "public" members, or should it also include `_` and `__` prefixed names? - My inclination would be that it should only include public members. Some other things to consider that I'm still thinking about: - What would SomeClassProtocol look like at runtime? I suppose Protocol.from(SomeClass) could introspect SomeClass at runtime and essentially build a protocol class that shares has SomeClass's interface? - Would this play nicely with generics? (I think/hope so?) One general use case (there are certainly others that I'm not thinking of at the moment) for this is when annotating "self" for a mixin class (https://mypy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/more_types.html#mixin-classes). It's at best cumbersome to have to write a protocol that matches an existing class and keep them in sync, and it's even more problematic if the protocol needs to match a class from another library. If this idea seems useful enough to move forward, I'd be happy to help write a PEP for it and work on a mypy implementation (this would be my first time writing a PEP or contributing to mypy). Looking forward to hearing your thoughts! Thanks, James

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