[Chicago] Regarding Text Editors

Tue Nov 1 09:57:03 EDT 2016

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And yes in development that almost works

Sublime, Idle  and Bluefish at the moment though this thread almost has me
ready to go learn how to use sublime for development with all those vtag,
vi, vim whatever jumps my teachers / encouragers / awesome people have
said.  Thinking of starting a cult of awesomeness.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Michael Tamillow <
mikaeltamillow96 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a strong believer that you should just steal other people's code from
> github and stack overflow.
>
> No need for a development environment, no need for tests, really, no need
> for an education system even.
>
> As long as you use spaces and not tabs I don't care.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Quentin Holness <qholness at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've come to enjoy Spyder for development purposes though I'm first and
> foremost a Sublime guy.
>
> Spyder has the perks of iPython without the Web server.
>
> On Oct 31, 2016 7:21 PM, "Bob Haugen" <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anybody else use Kate?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Nick Timkovich <prometheus235 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Text editor X vs IDE Y vs using butterfly species Z to flip SSD bits
>> with
>> > cosmic rays, this is all holy war stuff. The big thing is always just to
>> > "shut up and code". Roy Underhill and Norm Abrham both can make some
>> pretty
>> > sweet stuff.
>> >
>> > That said, I would argue you should sample something new every so often
>> > (i.e. use it as much as possible for a week) and see if it has any
>> features
>> > that could win you over. Especially if many of your co-workers also use
>> it,
>> > a) maybe they do so for a reason, b) when you're learning that thing
>> you can
>> > easily ask them 'what's the easy way to do X'. There is the distinct
>> > possibility that c) you like your original editor plenty well and don't
>> see
>> > a reason to change, but at least you've armed yourself for the next holy
>> > battle.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Japhy Bartlett <japhy at pearachute.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To add a datapoint, I use very vanilla vim, or sublime with vim
>> >> keybindings.  If you are going to dabble in system administration, it's
>> >> incredibly convenient to be comfortable with a terminal based editor!
>> It's
>> >> nice for debugging to have a stripped down environment.
>> >>
>> >> I think for learning, IDEs -- or anything that automagically does stuff
>> >> for you -- can be problematic because when something breaks, it's hard
>> for
>> >> newbies to know what's going on, or how to fix it.  There's an extra
>> layer
>> >> of magic that the bug could be in.
>> >>
>> >> And from the teachers perspective, does the student really understand,
>> eg
>> >> modules and imports?  Or did an IDE hold their hand through it?  Can
>> they
>> >> write code *without* an IDE?  Maybe it's moot, but it seems like
>> learning
>> >> the basics is important.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When you transition to a professional environment though, you're
>> judged by
>> >> your output, and your choice of editor should be personal preference.
>> Once
>> >> you understand a little about the basics, for sure use the IDE or
>> whatever
>> >> helps you move quickly.  It is extremely rude to impose an editor on
>> your
>> >> peers!  Try things out and use what sticks.
>> >>
>> >> - Japhy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Fehrenbach
>> >> <dnfehrenbach at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Here at work folks on my team picks individual preferred tools -
>> Emacs,
>> >>> Sublime, PyCharm, Atom, Vim etc. I use sublime but I've found it
>> doesn't
>> >>> hurt to be able to use all of them to perform the basics of editing
>> code -
>> >>> you'll eventually be confronted with a server and only have vim - so
>> if you
>> >>> can at least open/edit/save/exit that is really helpful, or if you're
>> pair
>> >>> programming with someone it kind of wastes time to struggle with an
>> editor
>> >>> you've never used instead of getting work done.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:32 PM, HADDLETON, Robert W (Bob)
>> >>> <bob.haddleton at nokia.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> PyCharm.  If your professors abhor IDEs they aren't preparing their
>> >>>> students for
>> >>>> real world jobs.  Familiarity with git and an IDE are pretty much
>> >>>> expected.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I use vi/vim/emacs as much as anyone (maybe more) but an integrated
>> IDE
>> >>>> used properly
>> >>>> is essential for medium and large projects with multiple/many
>> developers
>> >>>> or which uses a
>> >>>> large number of external modules.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 10/31/2016 3:00 PM, Aswin kumar wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Do people in industry use Vim editor or Emacs for software
>> development
>> >>>>> in their office or do they use an IDE?  In college my Professors
>> abhor
>> >>>>> IDE and suggest us to use VIM or Emacs for development. So I am
>> >>>>> curious to know if its is the same case in industry.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Aswin.
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