[Distutils] Fwd: The state of PyPI

Alex Clark aclark at aclark.net
Tue Sep 27 16:05:47 CEST 2011

On 9/27/11 9:07 AM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Wichert Akkerman<wichert at wiggy.net>  wrote:
>> On 09/27/2011 02:51 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Wichert Akkerman<wichert at wiggy.net>
>>>   wrote:
>>> ..
>>>>> I understand where you're coming from but, ..
>>>>> I think it's saner to rely on proven technology
>>>>> than to invent our own protocol. NIH?
>>>> This also feels like a problem that has already been solved in various
>>>> ways
>>>> by Debian, RedHat, CPAN and others.
>>> Yes, and we've found a way similar to CPAN, with some Python specifics
>>> (PyPI download statistics mainly)
>>> Oh my, we're cycling again.
>>> Nothing personal to you or Jim, but I have a sudden fatigue on
>>> packaging because it seems like people are ignoring what's being done
>>> to complain afterwards about us suffering of some kind of NIH :)
>> It's just that my perspective is that of a simple user. And from my
>> perspective nothing has changed in the last couple of years. Pypi still goes
>> down occasionally, and when that happens many things start breaking. It may
>> very well be that there are things planned or in progress, but until they
>> are both usable and used by standard tools, which for me means buildout and
>> setuptools, they are invisible.
> Fair enough,
> Pip has now the mirroring protocol implemented. I think they want to
> make it a default option for the next major Pip release. IOW, you
> should not suffer for downtimes using pip.
> We'd need to add the same feature in easy_installand zc.buildout.
> But since Pip did it, I think it's possible.
> We have 5 mirrors run by the community
> (http://pypi.python.org/mirrors) and I suspect porting pip's feature
> to zc.buildout and easy_install would take less time than creating a
> <Name your cloud service>  app.

I'm not sure I fully understand why each-tool needs updating (vs. 
something that would provide HA but be invisible to the tools), but I 
suspect a lot of this is "legacy" related (i.e. PyPI was not originally 
designed to handle HA) and adding support to each tool, though 
potentially tedious-sounding (if not actually tedious) may be reasonable.


> Cheers
> Tarek
>> Wichert.

Alex Clark · http://aclark.net

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