[Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman

Heather J. Lubinsky heather at pcgal.com
Sat Jul 5 08:17:15 CEST 2003

I just wanted to say - once you get mailman set up and running - it should
not need any babysitting.
I have run Lsoft's Listserv, Majordormo, and about 10 different list servers
and this one - once you get the kinks from your system worked out is the
most flexible and the best.

I have also been thrilled with the help I have gotten on this list.  I
currently run an older version because the server I am on uses an older
version of python - but one of my friends runs the newer version and said
for the first few weeks she had to work like a dog getting the bugs out and
doing little fixes but with help from this list - she is now running like
me - no  worries.

And I am rather tough (at least I think so) on the list server:
(see my stats that a few members helped me create at
also with a bit of help and learning how to tweak things I have simplified
many things that used to take me a lot of time - we change headers and
footers a lot and that used to be a pain but using the same type of idea
that was given to me for the list statistics I was able to change all of the
list headers and footers by just editing a text file and then running a
command - 1 minute later everything is all set.

Our lists are mostly discussion lists and we have both fully moderated and
moderated only by email address lists and it makes it a snap.  I am the
sever admin and I spend maybe 1 hour a month researching addresses or a
wacky problem and the list admin who moderates and handles all list problems
says real list problems only take her 2-3 hours a month and the rest are our
user problems.

And our focus is dealing with women in crisis - most are not even computer
literate - so we really feel this list software is worth it - and it is

Anyway - thanks for all those who have helped in the past and will help in
the future and for a great product that to a newbie linux user isn't all
that bad.

Heather Lubinsky
Director of Operations, PCOSA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Knowles" <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>
To: "SysAdmin" <help at quality.org>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman

At 7:51 PM -0700 2003/07/04, SysAdmin wrote:

>  Anyone have a better mailing list tool than Mailman that you can
>  recommend? I'd like to have something that I don't have to babysit so
>  much. As much as I hate to do it, I might just have to go back to
>  Majordomo (it has much better documentation, too). Sigh.

I've been administering mail systems for over ten years.  I've
also been administering mailing lists for about that long.  I've used
majordomo, and we've recently upgraded to mailman 2.1.2 on the
mailing lists I'm now administering.

I can tell you, with some authority, that mailman is many orders
of magnitude better than majordomo, with more features, and easier
and more flexible to manage, both for people who are old hands at
mailing list administration and people who have never done it before
in their life.

I really don't want to begin to contemplate what would be
necessary for us to switch back to majordomo.

Now, if you want to get some help with mailman, provide us more
information about your configuration and just what exactly is not
working well, and maybe we can help.  Otherwise, you're wasting your
time and ours.

Brad Knowles, <brad at stop.mail-abuse.org>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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