[Mailman-Users] "Uncaught bounce notification" question/problem

Mark Sapiro msapiro at value.net
Fri Mar 11 02:23:03 CET 2005

John Swartzentruber wrote:

>When one user on one of my lists replies to list messages, they get sent 
>to the bounce address and show up as uncaught bounces. I understand why 
>this is happening, so that itself isn't my question. In the latest 
>instance, this user also CC'ed the correct list address. It looks like 
>the message was sent to:
>To: A individual address
>To: The "list-bounces" address
>CC: The correct list address
>My question is why the message never showed up for moderation (the list 
>is moderated)? All that showed up was the "uncaught bounce" message. It 
>seems that the actual message should also have come through. Is 
>duplicates processing preventing that? In this case, I would prefer that 
>the real message be processed and the bounce message be discarded 
>instead of the other way around. If this isn't the case, what could have 
>caused the message not to come through?

The header - X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org

I'm guessing that these headers came from the "unrecognized bounce"
e-mail that you received. If that is the case, the "reply" contains
way too many headers from the original message that should not be
included in a reply. Rather than a "reply", it looks like a redirect
or resend.

But then, if these are headers from the bounce, I don't know why it
would be unrecognized as the reply address
<boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org> appears to
be a VERP like address that should always be recognizable regardless
of message content.

>Here are the headers (with stuff crossed out or changed):
>Received: from gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.wvu.edu (gatekeeper.rcbhsc.wvu.edu 
>        by xx.xxx.xxx.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id
>        j29IZVUc013396; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:33 -0500
>Received: from nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com by gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.xxx.edu
>        via smtpd (for dslxxx-xxx-039.phl1.dsl.xxx.net [xxx.xxx.233.39])
>        with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:32 -0500
>Received: (private information removed)
><6DA651399AB6474DB8C407434D4241A8191AF4 at nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com>
>From: "Jones, Sally" <jonesl at rcbhsc.xxx.edu>
>To: "'Richard J Smith '" <rmsmith at juno.com>,
>        "'boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org '"
>        <boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org>,
>        "'fred.miller at earthlink.net '" <lin.miller at earthlink.net>
>Cc: "'boguslist at bogusdomain.org '" <boguslist at bogusdomain.org>
>Subject: RE: [BogusList] Subject
>Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:27 -0500
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
>List-Help: <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=help>
>List-Subscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
>        <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
>        <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33
>X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3, 6-7, 20-21, 30-31, 34-35, 43-45, 48, 55-56, 58, 
>        68-69, 76-77, 79
>X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on 
>X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on 
>X-Virus-Status: Clean
>X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
>X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
>X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
>X-MailScanner-From: boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org
>Content-Type: text/plain;
>        charset="ISO-8859-1"

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