[Mailman-Users] Re: "Uncaught bounce notification" question/problem

John Swartzentruber nospam2 at mcswartz.org
Fri Mar 11 02:33:51 CET 2005

On 3/10/2005 8:23 PM Mark Sapiro wrote:
> John Swartzentruber wrote:
>>When one user on one of my lists replies to list messages, they get sent 
>>to the bounce address and show up as uncaught bounces. I understand why 
>>this is happening, so that itself isn't my question. In the latest 
>>instance, this user also CC'ed the correct list address. It looks like 
>>the message was sent to:
>>To: A individual address
>>To: The "list-bounces" address
>>CC: The correct list address
>>My question is why the message never showed up for moderation (the list 
>>is moderated)? All that showed up was the "uncaught bounce" message. It 
>>seems that the actual message should also have come through. Is 
>>duplicates processing preventing that? In this case, I would prefer that 
>>the real message be processed and the bounce message be discarded 
>>instead of the other way around. If this isn't the case, what could have 
>>caused the message not to come through?
> The header - X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org
> I'm guessing that these headers came from the "unrecognized bounce"
> e-mail that you received. If that is the case, the "reply" contains
> way too many headers from the original message that should not be
> included in a reply. Rather than a "reply", it looks like a redirect
> or resend.

She *claims* she just did a "Reply All". She's using Outlook so anything 
is possible. The headers are definitely very weird. You'll also notice 
that there are Juno specific headers and she isn't using Juno. Those 
were from the message that she is replying too.

Thanks for reminding me about the X-BeenThere. I guess that clears up 
the Mailman mystery. The Outlook mystery is outside of the scope of this 

> But then, if these are headers from the bounce, I don't know why it
> would be unrecognized as the reply address
> <boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org> appears to
> be a VERP like address that should always be recognizable regardless
> of message content.
>>Here are the headers (with stuff crossed out or changed):
>>Received: from gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.wvu.edu (gatekeeper.rcbhsc.wvu.edu 
>>       by xx.xxx.xxx.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id
>>       j29IZVUc013396; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:33 -0500
>>Received: from nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com by gatekeeper-sef.rcbhsc.xxx.edu
>>       via smtpd (for dslxxx-xxx-039.phl1.dsl.xxx.net [xxx.xxx.233.39])
>>       with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:32 -0500
>>Received: (private information removed)
>><6DA651399AB6474DB8C407434D4241A8191AF4 at nt-exchange1.xxxh.xxxhs.com>
>>From: "Jones, Sally" <jonesl at rcbhsc.xxx.edu>
>>To: "'Richard J Smith '" <rmsmith at juno.com>,
>>       "'boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org '"
>>       <boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org>,
>>       "'fred.miller at earthlink.net '" <lin.miller at earthlink.net>
>>Cc: "'boguslist at bogusdomain.org '" <boguslist at bogusdomain.org>
>>Subject: RE: [BogusList] Subject
>>Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:27 -0500
>>MIME-Version: 1.0
>>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
>>List-Help: <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=help>
>>List-Subscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
>>       <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=subscribe>
>>List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.bogusdomain.org/mailman/listinfo/boguslist>,
>>       <mailto:boguslist-request at bogusdomain.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>>X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33
>>X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3, 6-7, 20-21, 30-31, 34-35, 43-45, 48, 55-56, 58, 
>>       68-69, 76-77, 79
>>X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on 
>>X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on 
>>X-Virus-Status: Clean
>>X-BeenThere: boguslist at bogusdomain.org
>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
>>X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information
>>X-MailScanner: Found to be clean
>>X-MailScanner-From: boguslist-bounces+jonesl=rcbhsc.xxx.edu at bogusdomain.org
>>Content-Type: text/plain;
>>       charset="ISO-8859-1"
> --
> Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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