[Mailman-Users] Hotmail Delivery Problems

[jc dill]

Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Lloyd F. Tennison wrote:
> 
>>Here is the text of the emails.  They are pushing the BondedSender like crazy   
>>- especially since I received an email direct from BondedSender. 
>> at the address I only used with this ticket to hotmail. 
> 
> I would turn the problem around. Tell the hotmail users that hotmail is 
> blocking their list mail, and they should contact hotmail and tell them to 
> stop blocking their legit mail.
> 
> Or, if it's not a business list, tell hotmail users they need to use a 
> different address and move on.  Send them all a gmail invite while you're at 
> it.

That's what I recommend too.  Your list subscribers are not getting 
their list email because Hotmail is being unreasonable.  Instead of 
expecting you to jump thru hoops for Hotmail, it's perfectly reasonable 
for you to put the shoe on the other foot and tell them to use a 
different email provider that has more reasonable policies.  When 
Hotmail finds that they are losing users by droves they will stop 
expecting all legitimate senders to jump thru these unreasonable hoops.

"The 'Net treats censorship as damage and routes around it."  (John 
Gilmore)  In this case, the "censorship" is a side effect of Hotmail's 
Bonded Sender program being badly implemented (saying that your mail 
server can only "speak" to their mail server if it participates in 
Bonded Sender) and rejecting legitimate email.  Route around it by 
assisting your Hotmail users in getting another email account.

jc