[Mailman-Users] Difficulties with mailman 2.1.5
brad at shub-internet.org
Sun Nov 19 09:52:50 CET 2006
At 8:20 AM -0500 11/18/06, Alan McConnell wrote:
> Now here is an "ignoramus" question, from one who knoweth not Python:
> If mailman is "powered by Python", why is not an upgrade from mailman
> 2.1.5 to, say, 2.1.9, accomplished by simply grabbin the new python
> scripts(hey, they are simply text files, right?) and dropping them
> into place? (of course the data -- the database of list members --
> has to be backed up appropriately and restored, perhaps with new
> fields added). Yes, I know this is a dumb question<g>; but I hope
> for an intelligent answer, letting me, and the Patriot Support staff,
> know exactly what is involved in a real, non-Debian dependent upgrade.
The Debian guys have moved stuff around. You can't just drop the
2.1.9 code onto a Debian machine and expect it to work properly -- it
won't be able to find any of the files from the Debian-hacked version
of 2.1.5 that was previously installed.
When you take the current tarball and do a "make install" on that, it
will put all the various files in the Mailman-standard locations,
which are most definitely not the same as the Debian-standard
locations for those kinds of things. You could copy the respective
list configuration and list archive files from the Debian-standard
location to the Mailman-standard location, and if you do it right
then you should be able to get your system upgraded from 2.1.5 to
But this isn't just a simple drop-in replacement.
What really needs to happen is the Debian guys need to get 2.1.9 and
"Debian-ize" that codebase, and then ship that out to all their
customers. Problem is, the Debian project is well-known for being
multiple years behind the current state-of-whatever, so $DEITY only
knows when you might ever see this kind of update -- Maybe about the
same time we're shipping Mailman3.
Brad Knowles, <brad at shub-internet.org>
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