[Mailman-Users] Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 40, Issue 1
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Today's Topics:
1. odd empty bounce message generated upon posting to a mailing
list (Jon Pauli)
2. Unable to Create New Lists (Phil Fonville)
3. Which script does /admin/members call? (Curtis Preston)
4. Re: Unable to Create New Lists (Mark Sapiro)
5. Re: Mailman Splitting Subject (Mark Sapiro)
6. Re: Maximum template size? (Mark Sapiro)
7. Re: No domain name, Can I use mailman to build a maillist?
(Mark Sapiro)
8. Re: how can i simulate mailman pages (Mark Sapiro)
9. Re: Low level smtp error: Server not connected (Mark Sapiro)
10. Re: a question about unadvertised lists and spam (Mark Sapiro)
De: "Jon Pauli" <fatal.exception at gmail.com>
Para: mailman-users at python.org
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:29:05 -0500
Asunto: [Mailman-Users] odd empty bounce message generated upon posting to
a mailing list
Hello,
I have been looking around in the docs and have not seen anything that
matches my issue.
I have a couple of mailing lists and every time anyone- member or
non-member posts, everything works fine but the list owner gets
1)An uncaught bounce notification containing an empty attachment
called ForwardedMessage.eml. Thunderbird is the MUA so I'm guessing it
is responsible for determining how to interpret the attachment, but
even if I save it as a text file it is a 2 byte long file with no
visible characters in it...I didn't take a hex editor to it. I
understand why listowner gets these, I'm just not sure how it can work
with a 2 byte file and no headers ;)
2. An email where no subject and no sender appear in the MUA. The
headers are as follows:
Delivered-To: me at mydomain.com
Return-Path: <
mailman-bounces at mail.mydomain.com>
Received: from [192.168.10.22] (softdnserr [127.0.0.1])
by mail.mydomain.com with esmtp; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:36 -0500id
00A9A0CA.465EE260.00010B2E
Sender: mailman-bounces at mail.mydomain.com
Errors-To: mailman-bounces at mail.mydomain.com
Message-ID:
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:57:36 -0500
To: undisclosed-recipients: ;
The interesting things I noticed are:
1. The Received: header line is wrong. The mail server has a DNS
server running on it as well as the MTA. its IP is 192.168.11.22 NOT
10.22 There is no 192.168.10.22 on my network. This happens only for
mailman emails. I don't recall having to set any IPs when I set up
mailman. What is wrong here?
2. The end of the Message-ID: line contains only mydomain, not say,
mydomain.com like non-mailman emails.
3. There is no Sender showing up in the MUA but the Sender: header is
present. It looks like Thunderbird maybe uses the From: header instead
of the Sender header despite naming the column where this would appear
"Sender".
I'd appreciate any thoughts or insight into this. I am confused.
De: "Phil Fonville" <pfonville at troxlerlabs.com>
Para: <mailman-users at python.org>
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:21:49 -0400
Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Unable to Create New Lists
I am unable to create new lists with either the web interface or the
newlist script. However, I can post to my existing lists, and the posts
go out to list subscribers.
Failed attempts yield this message:
Error: Unknown virtual host: bashful at troxlerlabs.local
my mm_cfg.py file contains:
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
I did run the fix_url script against my existing lists. I see no
evidence of problems when I run the check_perms and check_db scripts.
My hostname (physical and virtual [see below]) is
bashful.troxlerlabs.local
I have stopped and restarted the qrunner.
I should mention that my setup includes Postfix and Apache running in
the same host. All this is in a SUSE Linux 10.2 virtual machine with
NAT and ports 25 and 80 forwarded to their respective applications.
This virtual machine worked fine on a different host, pfonvillepc2 (with
"pfonvillepc2" substituted for all instances of "bashful") before moving
it to bashful.
I have looked for posts and FAQs for similar problem(s) but couldn't
find any. Would be grateful for any help.
De: "Curtis Preston" <cpreston at glasshouse.com>
Para: <mailman-users at python.org>
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:08:36 -0400
Asunto: [Mailman-Users] Which script does /admin/members call?
I need to know which script is called when I run the /admin/members page
and press Submit. I can't figure it out since ./cgi-bin/members is a
binary.
(I'm continuing down my path of trying to figure out how to set the
digest mode via wget and I need to see how Mailman is parsing this
form.)
---
W. Curtis Preston
Author of O'Reilly's Backup & Recovery and Using SANs and NAS
VP Data Protection
GlassHouse Technologies
De: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Para: "Phil Fonville" <pfonville at troxlerlabs.com>,
<mailman-users at python.org>
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:15:17 -0700
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to Create New Lists
Phil Fonville wrote:
>
>I am unable to create new lists with either the web interface or the
>newlist script. However, I can post to my existing lists, and the posts
>go out to list subscribers.
>
>Failed attempts yield this message:
>
> Error: Unknown virtual host: bashful at troxlerlabs.local
>
>
>my mm_cfg.py file contains:
>
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/
>
> DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'bashful'
This only affects mail <-> news gatewaying
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'bashful'
>
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST - 'bashful'
All the above host names must be fully qualified - i.e...
'bashful.troxlerlabs.local', not just 'bashful'.
Also, I assume the above '_' instead of '=' is just a typo in your
email.
Finally, it would be good here to remove the Defaults.py
add_virtualhost() entry by inserting
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
prior to
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
>
>I did run the fix_url script against my existing lists. I see no
>evidence of problems when I run the check_perms and check_db scripts.
>
>My hostname (physical and virtual [see below]) is
>bashful.troxlerlabs.local
After you fix mm_cfg.py as above, it would be good to run fix_url again.
Also see
.
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
De: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Para: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull at sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>,
lloyd at viplist.us
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:20:24 -0700
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Splitting Subject
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>It's almost a trivial patch; in the email/Generator.py file find the
>keyword argument continuation_ws='\t' to the Header initialization and
>change the '\t' to ' '.
This is an incomplete solution. See Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py.
You really need to patch the prefix_subject function in that module by
changing
ws = '\t'
in
# Try to figure out what the continuation_ws is for the header
if isinstance(subject, Header):
lines = str(subject).splitlines()
else:
lines = subject.splitlines()
ws = '\t'
if len(lines) > 1 and lines[1] and lines[1][0] in ' \t':
ws = lines[1][0]
to
ws = ' '
or possibly replace that whole piece with just
ws = ' '
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
De: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Para: "Carter Braxton" <cbraxton at iname.com>, "Patrick Bogen" <pdbogen at gmail.com>
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:29:56 -0700
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Maximum template size?
Carter Braxton wrote:
>
>I just tested this to be certain, and the variable substitution does not take place -- the invitation email that is sent contains the variable names rather than the values:
The problem is the non-substitution '%' characters in your template.
E.g.,
>75% of email traffic on the Internet
> http://www.test.test/cgi-bin/mailman/options/test/name%40domain.com
>
> The part that reads "name%40domain.com" is based on your email
> address. For example, if you signed up with an email address of
> "foo at bar.com," you would point your web browser to:
>
> http://www.test.test/cgi-bin/mailman/options/test/foo%40bar.com
All the above '%' characters need to be doubled as '%%' so they are not
confused with substitutions such as the following.
>Your address "%(email)s" has been invited to join the %(listname)s
>mailing list at %(hostname)s by the %(listname)s mailing list owner.
>You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message,
>keeping the Subject: header intact.
>
>You can also visit this web page:
>
> %(confirmurl)s
>
>Or you should include the following line -- and only the following
>line -- in a message to %(requestaddr)s:
>
> confirm %(cookie)s
>
>Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
>most mail readers.
>
>If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this
>message. If you have any questions, please send them to
>%(listowner)s.
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
De: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Para: jetspeed <ibatis2 at 163.com>, mailman <mailman-users at python.org>
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:45:08 -0700
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] No domain name,
Can I use mailman to build a maillist?
jetspeed wrote:
>I use exim4 as MTA, and mailman as maillist
>But I have no domain name besides my IP, so mails from other smtp servers can't be relayed to my MTA, How can I deal with this situation?
I think you can set
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '[xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]'
and Mailman will work. but you may have issues with other MTAs refusing
to deliver to address literals.
OTOH, for less that $1.00/month you can register a domain including DNS
service with, e.g., .
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
De: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Para: <jetta.view at gmx.de>, <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:54:26 -0700
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] how can i simulate mailman pages
wrote:
>'The problem is probably that the /admin/* pages require the list or site
>admin password to be in a cookie, and normal users aren't going to have
>that.'
So, it seems you want to make your own web form which circumvents the
Mailman subscribe process and subscribes the user directly via the
admin mass subscribe page.
>is it possible to set a cookie by hand.
You don't need to do this. You just send the admin password with the
cgi data as shown for example at
.
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
De: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Para: ljacobs at shambhala.com, <mailman-users at python.org>
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:16:49 -0700
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Low level smtp error: Server not connected
Leonard Jacobs wrote:
>I am trying to run Mailman 2.1.9 on a CentOS 4 server with postfix 2.4.1. I had Mailman 2.1.5 running on a slower system and wanted to offload some apps to this newer server but am having problems. check_perms has no errors. Creating lists works fine and when postings are submitted the messages are delivered to the list admins re posting verifications.
>
>But only a few of the messages are getting delivered. logs/smtp-failure shows many of this type of error:
>"delivery to someone at gmail.com failed with code -1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')" I am also seeing many " Low level smtp error: Server not connected, msgid" errors. I did try all the suggested fixes in the FAQ including adding the line to get error output in the logs/error file. And this file is showing successful delivery, such as
>"May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): reply: '250 2.1.5 Ok\r\n'
>May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): reply: retcode (250); Msg: 2.1.5 Ok
>May 26 16:33:44 2007 qrunner(20744): send: 'rcpt TO:\r\n""
>but the majority of the messages are simply stuck in the qfiles/out and qfile/rety directory.
Leonard,
I don't know where you are with this. I've read the rest of the thread,
but I don't know if you've discovered anything or not.
Here's what I can tell you.
>From the Mailman/Python/smtplib point of view, Postfix is dropping the
connection unexpectedly.
You only show a small debug snippet above, but somewhere in the debug
output there should be a point where something goes wrong in the SMTP
transaction sequence. This should give you a clue.
I'm guessing, since individual notices work, that postfix doesn't like
transactions with a lot of recipients. Try setting
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1
in mm_cfg.py and restarting mailman. If that works, you can then look
at why Postfix doesn't like more than x recipients in a transaction.
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
De: Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>
Para: Dennis at top-dog-home.com, mailman-users at python.org
Fecha: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:23:09 -0700
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] a question about unadvertised lists and spam
Dennis Morgan wrote:
>
>My question is - are spamers able to pick up lists from the default (but
>not easily accessible) default mailman listinfo page and start
>bombarding us with spam on all lists? Or should I set the "Advertise
>this list" option to "no" for the lists on the default listinfo page?
My opinion, based on only anecdotal observation is that it doesn't
matter. The spammers will get your list addresses from spyware on your
list member's computers (it only takes one).
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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