[Moin-user] Why oh why!
ppc at alum.com
Wed Dec 10 15:45:24 EST 2008
Hey, thanks everybody for your replies. I apologize if the tone of my
message sounded nasty or ungrateful, I must admit I had a bout of
despair when I wrote it.
To address the points you have made: I had backed up the data before
trying the upgrade, so I wasn't in any danger of permanently losing
anything. But I wasn't too happy about downgrading back to 1.5.3.
As far as documentation is concerned, the Debian package is quite devoid
of it, as are most Debian packages. I did however try to do my homework
and found a lot of information on the net, most of it quite diluted and
unhelpful (to me) . I'm afraid the first time I read something useful
about the upgrading process is when I read your responses on this forum.
I ended up making a quick awk script to fix the pages for the new
syntax, and fixing a few remaining things by hand. It was quicker for me
to do this than to massage our data with multiple scripts.
I still think a "legacy" flag would be a good idea. Actually, what would
be even better would be a "syntax version" variable. As someone firmly
on the user side of MoinMoin, I reckon users should have the option of
keeping things as they are (including not retraining people) : I'm a IT
guy by accident, my real work is gun designer, so I really have no time
to muck about with software. As for our MoinMoin users, they are
gunsmiths in their 50s. The last thing you want with old geezer artisans
who can barely check their email is ask them to learn a new wiki syntax.
I couldn't care less if the new syntax is better, what I care about is
disturbing these guys' habits as little as possible, as they get grumpy
This isn't a reproach, I personally like the new MoinMoin syntax and I
appreciate your efforts to make MoinMoin better, but in my particular
reality with my users, the syntax change only brings me trouble. Having
the option of using the latest MoinMoin but keeping the old syntax would
I will stick with 1.7.1, I won't upgrade to 1.8. That's because it's the
version in the Debian-testing package, and -testing is as cutting-edge a
Debian distro as my production server is ever going to run. The 1.7 GUI
window is no problem for me, I edit my pages in vi with the "It's all
text!" Firefox add-on myself, and my users are used to it, so I won't
rattle the nest again.
Anyway, thanks a lot for your answers, I won't panic next time :)
I just have one last question : I would like to use MoinMoin to keep
track of daily tasks for the workers, and to keep track of machine
maintenance schedules, etc... What I have in mind is using
MonthCalendars to enter those things, and on the terminal PC in the
workshop, have a cron job requesting the relevant date pages for the day
from the wiki to print out reminders every morning. Do you think
something like this already exist, or should I get coding?
Take care y'all.
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