[Moin-user] Why oh why!

Lukasz Szybalski szybalski at gmail.com
Wed Dec 10 16:03:15 EST 2008

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Pierre Coupard <ppc at alum.com> wrote:
> Hey, thanks everybody for your replies. I apologize if the tone of my
> message sounded nasty or ungrateful, I must admit I had a bout of
> despair when I wrote it.
> To address the points you have made: I had backed up the data before
> trying the upgrade, so I wasn't in any danger of permanently losing
> anything. But I wasn't too happy about downgrading back to 1.5.3.
> As far as documentation is concerned, the Debian package is quite devoid
> of it, as are most Debian packages. I did however try to do my homework
> and found a lot of information on the net, most of it quite diluted and
> unhelpful (to me) . I'm afraid the first time I read something useful
> about the upgrading process is when I read your responses on this forum.
> I ended up making a quick awk script to fix the pages for the new
> syntax

I'm not a developer so I can't help you with the "legacy" switch but
could you post your awk script.

, and fixing a few remaining things by hand. It was quicker for me
> to do this than to massage our data with multiple scripts.
> I still think a "legacy" flag would be a good idea. Actually, what would
> be even better would be a "syntax version" variable. As someone firmly
> on the user side of MoinMoin, I reckon users should have the option of
> keeping things as they are (including not retraining people) : I'm a IT
> guy by accident, my real work is gun designer, so I really have no time
> to muck about with software. As for our MoinMoin users, they are
> gunsmiths in their 50s. The last thing you want with old geezer artisans
> who can barely check their email is ask them to learn a new wiki syntax.
> I couldn't care less if the new syntax is better, what I care about is
> disturbing these guys' habits as little as possible, as they get grumpy
> quite easily.
> This isn't a reproach, I personally like the new MoinMoin syntax and I
> appreciate your efforts to make MoinMoin better, but in my particular
> reality with my users, the syntax change only brings me trouble. Having
> the option of using the latest MoinMoin but keeping the old syntax would
> be good.
> I will stick with 1.7.1, I won't upgrade to 1.8. That's because it's the
> version in the Debian-testing package, and -testing is as cutting-edge a
> Debian distro as my production server is ever going to run. The 1.7 GUI
> window is no problem for me, I edit my pages in vi with the "It's all
> text!" Firefox add-on myself, and my users are used to it, so I won't
> rattle the nest again.
> Anyway, thanks a lot for your answers, I won't panic next time :)
> I just have one last question : I would like to use MoinMoin to keep
> track of daily tasks for the workers, and to keep track of machine
> maintenance schedules, etc... What I have in mind is using
> MonthCalendars to enter those things, and on the terminal PC in the
> workshop, have a cron job requesting the relevant date pages for the day
> from the wiki to print out reminders every morning. Do you think
> something like this already exist, or should I get coding?
> Take care y'all.
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