[python-committers] List of all core developers
Donald Stufft
donald at stufft.io
Fri Aug 3 03:44:52 EDT 2018
We should probably have a single source of truth for what a core developer is, and all other systems pull from that.
> On Aug 3, 2018, at 3:43 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>
> Please note that the motivation for having a list similar to the
> one we have for PSF Fellows is not to determine voting eligibility.
>
> This is about having a record of the core developer status available
> to show to 3rd parties, e.g. to (potential) employers, organizations,
> government agencies, etc.
>
> Having a place to also record the email addresses for internal
> use such a voting or sending messages to the whole group
> is a good idea nonetheless. This mailing list will likely already
> serve that purpose.
>
>
> On 02.08.2018 23:25, Brett Cannon wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 04:54 Stefan Richthofer <stefan.richthofer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Again, this was in the (poorly conveyed) context of getting email
>>>> addresses for them, or at least being able to contact them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I always thought there were already at least three places containing the
>>> necessary email addresses.
>>>
>>> * python-committers should be exactly this mailing list.
>>>
>>
>> The list also has email archiving services as well as duplicate emails for
>> people (e.g. I'm in it twice so that if I accidentally send an email from a
>> personal email address it doesn't get held up in moderation).
>>
>>
>>> * according to https://devguide.python.org/coredev/#issue-tracker it is
>>> mandatory for core developers to subscribe to the issue tracker which AFAIK
>>> requires a confirmed email address.
>>>
>> * Every committer clearly must have signed the contributor agreement
>>> https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ which also contains a
>>> mandatory email field
>>>
>>> So why is it still necessary to get email addresses at all?
>>>
>>
>> Because none of those necessarily have accurate email addresses at this
>> point. E.g. even python-committers has had people dropped off due to too
>> many email rejections. And if we hold a vote for a governance model we will
>> need a place to send ballots.
>>
>> Now if the vote is open to any core developer (using MAL's definition of it
>> being a lifetime title), then the subscription list for this mailing list
>> is probably good enough with some manual grooming as long we are okay with
>> long-dormant folk who predate this list not voting (which I'm personally
>> fine with). But if we wanted a way to reach just people with commit
>> privileges then that's a separate challenge.
>>
>> -Brett
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2018-08-02 10:59 GMT+02:00 Eric V. Smith <eric at trueblade.com>:
>>>
>>>> On 8/2/2018 3:32 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02.08.2018 03:24, Eric V. Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, Mariatta Wijaya wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it would also be a good idea to include core developers
>>>>>>> of other Python implementations in such a document, in
>>>>>>> separate sections, e.g. for Jython, IronPython, PyPy,
>>>>>>> Stackless, etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm, I don't think it is should be our (CPython) responsibility to
>>>>>>> keep track and maintain the list of the core devs of alternate Python
>>>>>>> implementations. Don't they have their own community / website? They
>>>>>>> have their own repo, bug tracker, governance model, and everything,
>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. We have a hard enough time keeping track of our own core
>>>>>> developers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't really think we have a hard time doing this. The only
>>>>> problem is that we never sat down and actually properly recorded
>>>>> this in one place.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was specifically thinking of a way to stay in touch with core devs, or
>>>> more specifically a way to send them email. In the past, before we moved to
>>>> github, I took it upon myself to find email addresses (current or not) for
>>>> all core devs, and I gave up without much success.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that we could probably come up with a list of names for people
>>>> who have been given the "core dev" status.
>>>>
>>>> For our core devs, can't we just say that the CPython core devs are
>>>>>> those with commit bits on the CPython repo? I realize that will
>>>>>> eliminate some people who have been core developers and never moved to
>>>>>> github, but if they bring it to our attention, we can add them easily
>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As discussed before, being a core developer is a status you
>>>>> gain and never lose. There is a clear difference between have
>>>>> commit rights to the (current) repo and this status.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Again, this was in the (poorly conveyed) context of getting email
>>>> addresses for them, or at least being able to contact them.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
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