[python-committers] List of all core developers

Brett Cannon brett at python.org
Fri Aug 3 13:52:01 EDT 2018 

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 00:44 Donald Stufft <donald at stufft.io> wrote:

> We should probably have a single source of truth for what a core developer
> is, and all other systems pull from that.
>

Ah, but I think there might be a terminology clash here. Using MALs
definition means that you can be a core developer but not have commit
privileges due to relinquishing those privileges at some point. So I'm not
sure what systems you are referring to that need to know if someone
historically happened to be a core developer.

Assuming what you mean is people with commit privileges, then we have the
"lovely" complication of usernames being inconsistent for people across
systems which is probably what is required to make any centralized list
useful for systems to interact with. We could solve this by using a table
instead of a list for people to list e.g. their GitHub and b.p.o usernames
if people wanted to go that route.


>
> > On Aug 3, 2018, at 3:43 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> >
> > Please note that the motivation for having a list similar to the
> > one we have for PSF Fellows is not to determine voting eligibility.
> >
> > This is about having a record of the core developer status available
> > to show to 3rd parties, e.g. to (potential) employers, organizations,
> > government agencies, etc.
> >
> > Having a place to also record the email addresses for internal
> > use such a voting or sending messages to the whole group
> > is a good idea nonetheless. This mailing list will likely already
> > serve that purpose.
> >
> >
> > On 02.08.2018 23:25, Brett Cannon wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 04:54 Stefan Richthofer <
> stefan.richthofer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Again, this was in the (poorly conveyed) context of getting email
> >>>> addresses for them, or at least being able to contact them.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I always thought there were already at least three places containing
> the
> >>> necessary email addresses.
> >>>
> >>> * python-committers should be exactly this mailing list.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The list also has email archiving services as well as duplicate emails
> for
> >> people (e.g. I'm in it twice so that if I accidentally send an email
> from a
> >> personal email address it doesn't get held up in moderation).
> >>
> >>
> >>> * according to https://devguide.python.org/coredev/#issue-tracker it
> is
> >>> mandatory for core developers to subscribe to the issue tracker which
> AFAIK
> >>> requires a confirmed email address.
> >>>
> >> * Every committer clearly must have signed the contributor agreement
> >>> https://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ which also contains a
> >>> mandatory email field
> >>>
> >>> So why is it still necessary to get email addresses at all?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Because none of those necessarily have accurate email addresses at this
> >> point. E.g. even python-committers has had people dropped off due to too
> >> many email rejections. And if we hold a vote for a governance model we
> will
> >> need a place to send ballots.
> >>
> >> Now if the vote is open to any core developer (using MAL's definition
> of it
> >> being a lifetime title), then the subscription list for this mailing
> list
> >> is probably good enough with some manual grooming as long we are okay
> with
> >> long-dormant folk who predate this list not voting (which I'm personally
> >> fine with). But if we wanted a way to reach just people with commit
> >> privileges then that's a separate challenge.
> >>
> >> -Brett
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> 2018-08-02 10:59 GMT+02:00 Eric V. Smith <eric at trueblade.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/2/2018 3:32 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 02.08.2018 03:24, Eric V. Smith wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, Mariatta Wijaya wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>     I think it would also be a good idea to include core developers
> >>>>>>>     of other Python implementations in such a document, in
> >>>>>>>     separate sections, e.g. for Jython, IronPython, PyPy,
> >>>>>>>     Stackless, etc
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hmm, I don't think it is should be our (CPython) responsibility to
> >>>>>>> keep track and maintain the list of the core devs of alternate
> Python
> >>>>>>> implementations. Don't they have their own community / website?
> They
> >>>>>>> have their own repo, bug tracker, governance model, and everything,
> >>>>>>> right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Agreed. We have a hard enough time keeping track of our own core
> >>>>>> developers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't really think we have a hard time doing this. The only
> >>>>> problem is that we never sat down and actually properly recorded
> >>>>> this in one place.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I was specifically thinking of a way to stay in touch with core devs,
> or
> >>>> more specifically a way to send them email. In the past, before we
> moved to
> >>>> github, I took it upon myself to find email addresses (current or
> not) for
> >>>> all core devs, and I gave up without much success.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree that we could probably come up with a list of names for people
> >>>> who have been given the "core dev" status.
> >>>>
> >>>> For our core devs, can't we just say that the CPython core devs are
> >>>>>> those with commit bits on the CPython repo? I realize that will
> >>>>>> eliminate some people who have been core developers and never moved
> to
> >>>>>> github, but if they bring it to our attention, we can add them
> easily
> >>>>>> enough.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> As discussed before, being a core developer is a status you
> >>>>> gain and never lose. There is a clear difference between have
> >>>>> commit rights to the (current) repo and this status.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed. Again, this was in the (poorly conveyed) context of getting
> email
> >>>> addresses for them, or at least being able to contact them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
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