[Python-Dev] PEP 453: Explicit bootstrapping of pip

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Tue Sep 17 18:38:31 CEST 2013

On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "R. David Murray" <rdmurray at bitdance.com> wrote:

> This PEP looks great to me.  Thanks to everyone involved.
> On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:46:01 +1000, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Reducing the burden of actually installing a third-party package should
>> also decrease the pressure to add every useful module to the standard
>> library. This will allow additions to the standard library to focus more
>> on why Python should have a particular tool out of the box instead of
>> using the general difficulty of installing third-party packages as
>> justification for inclusion.
> I don't think this PEP changes the inclusion calculus, because I don't
> think we've given any real weight to that in stdlib inclusion decisions.
> I think the decision making is already focused on why Python should have
> a particular tool out of the box.

When I originally wrote this statement I wasn't trying to say that modules
were included because of the lack of an easy installer, but instead that
a not insignificant number of people had wanted to include stuff and some
of their reasoning that I had seen in the past included the difficulty in
bootstrapping the installer.

So it decreases the *pressure* from others to include stuff for connivence
not that it necessarily changes how python-dev itself weighs the decision
to do so (but it might for some people?).

> The only context I recall where "installation difficulty" has been
> considered relevant is the issue of corporate users restricted from
> installing 3rd party packages...which will not be affected at all by
> this PEP.
> --David
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