[Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?
wes.turner at gmail.com
Thu Oct 26 16:36:15 EDT 2017
On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> On 10/26/2017 07:28 AM, Wes Turner wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 26, 2017, Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com
> > On 26 October 2017 at 10:24, Victor Stinner
> > > We are using Mailman 3 for the new buildbot-status mailing list
> and it
> > > works well:
> > >
> > >
> > https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-status@
> > >
> > My only use of the pipermail archives is to find permanent URLs for
> > mails I want to refer people to. My usage goes as follows:
> > 1. Google search for a post.
> > 2. Paste in the URL to an email.
> > Or, if I have the post already (usually in my email client).
> > 1. Check the date and subject of the post.
> > 2. Go to the pipermail article by month, and scan the list for the
> > subject and author.
> > 3. Click on the link, check it's the right email, copy the URL.
> > 4. Paste it into my email.
> > I don't use the archives for reading. If the above two usages are
> > still available, I don't care. But in particular, the fact that
> > individual posts are searchable from Google is important to me.
> A Google search narrowed with "site:mail.python.org" and perhaps
> as well. Also,
> the archive itself has a "search this list" box.
Gmail also supports "list:python.org" now.
> ...> The complexity of this process is also very wastefully frustrating to
> > me. (Maybe it's in the next month's message tree? No fulltext search? No
> > way to even do an inurl: search because of the URIs?!)
> I don't see these issues. There is a full text search box on the archive
> page and I don't see the problem with Google inurl:
This URL style would work with inurl:
These can't span across the year-month or otherwise catch other threads in
the result set:
> > Isn't there a way to append a permalink to the relayed message footers?
> > Google Groups and Github do this and it saves a lot of time.
> As you note below, there is an Archived-At: header. I have just
> submitted an RFE at <https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/issues/432> to
> enable placing this in the message header/footer.
> > [Re-searches for things]
> > Mailman3 adds an RFC 5064 "Archived-At" header with a link that some
> > clients provide the ability to open in a normal human browser:
> > http://dustymabe.com/2016/01/10/archived-at-email-header-
> > I often click the "view it on Github" link in GitHub issue emails. (It's
> > after the '--' email signature delimiter, so it doesn't take up so much
> > room).
> > "[feature] Add permalink to mail message to the footer when delivering
> > email"
> > https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/27
> This needs to be in Mailman Core, not HyperKitty. As I note above, I
> filed an RFE with core and also referenced it in the HyperKitty issue
> > Finally, how would a transition be handled? I assume the old archives
> > would be retained, so would there be a cut-off date and people would
> > have to know to use the old or new archives based on the date of the
> > message?
> > Could an HTTP redirect help with directing users to the new or old
> What we did when migrating security-sig is we migrated the archive but
> kept the old one and added this message and link to the old archive page.
> "This list has been migrated to Mailman 3. This archive is not being
> updated. Here is the new archive including these old posts."
> We also redirected
> <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/security-sig> to
> We purposely didn't redirect the old archive so that saved URLs would
> still work.
> We did the same things for security-announce and clearly can do the same
> for future migrations.
> Finally note that Mailman 3 supports archivers other than HyperKitty.
> For example, one can configure a list to archive at
> www.mail-archive.com, in such a way that the Archived-At: permalink
> points to the message at www.mail-archive.com.
Someday someone will have the time to implement this in e.g. posterious or
hyperkitty or from a complete mbox:
> San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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