[Python-ideas] Adding jsonschema to the standard library

[Julian Berman]

Hey, author here, thanks a lot Demian for even suggesting such a thing :).

I'm really glad that people have found jsonschema useful.

I actually tend these days to think similarly to what Nick mentioned, that
the standard library really has decreased in importance as pip has shaped
up and now been bundled -- so overall my personal opinion is that I
wouldn't personally be pushing to get jsonschema in -- but! If you felt
strongly, just some brief answers -- I think jsonschema would be able to
cope with more restricted release cycles.

And there are a few areas that I don't like about jsonschema (some APIs)
which eventually I'd like to fix (RefResolver in particular), but for the
most part I think it has stabilized more or less.

I can provide some more details if there's any interest.

Thanks again for even proposing such a thing :)

-Julian


On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 2:15 AM, <python-ideas-request at python.org> wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:15:20 +1000
> From: Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com>
> To: Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com>
> Cc: Demian Brecht <demianbrecht at gmail.com>, Python-Ideas
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> On 21 May 2015 at 17:57, Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 21 May 2015 at 06:29, Demian Brecht <demianbrecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Has been publicly available for over a year: v0.1 released Jan 1, 2012,
> currently at 2.4.0 (released Sept 22, 2014)
> >> Heavily used by the community: Currently sees ~585k downloads per month
> according to PyPI
> >
> > One key question that should be addressed as part of any proposal for
> > inclusion into the stdlib. Would switching to having feature releases
> > only when a new major Python version is released (with bugfixes at
> > minor releases) be acceptable to the project? From the figures you
> > quote, it sounds like there has been some rapid development, although
> > things seem to have slowed down now, so maybe things are stable
> > enough.
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> The other question to be answered these days is the value bundling
> offers over "pip install jsonschema" (or a platform specific
> equivalent). While it's still possible to meet that condition, it's
> harder now that we offer pip as a standard feature, especially since
> getting added to the standard library almost universally makes life
> more difficult for module maintainers if they're not already core
> developers.
>
> I'm not necessarily opposed to including JSON schema validation in
> general or jsonschema in particular (I've used it myself in the past
> and think it's a decent option if you want a bit more rigor in your
> data validation), but I'm also not sure how large an overlap there
> will be between "could benefit from using jsonschema", "has a
> spectacularly onerous package review process", and "can't already get
> jsonschema from an approved source".
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> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> --
> Nick Coghlan   |   ncoghlan at gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia
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