newbie question

[Dave LeBlanc]

Hi;

I've installed both Zope and Apache, and found that Apache was harder
to install then Zope due to poor configuration documentation (a
listing of all the configuration directives without any description of
their use or any sort of "big picture" tutorial doesn't help).

However, Apache is considerably easier to use then Zope, since Zope
lacks (currently - i've heard a book is on the way) any real sort of
tutorial that explains simple things like it's architecture very well
or how to do basic tasks, how the control panel is organized etc.  I
even tried a pretty specific tutorial and it didn't work.

As long as I have anybody's attention, can anybody recommend a _good_
tutorial for Apache? All i've seen are  rehashs of the configuration
instructions that come with Apache and that's just not good enough!

Of course, it's hard to beat an infinite price/performance ratio (_if_
you can get it to perform!) :-)

Regards,

Dave LeBlanc

On 23 Mar 2001 14:42:33 -0600, claird at starbase.neosoft.com (Cameron
Laird) wrote:

>In article <mailman.985375195.17238.python-list at python.org>,
>Moshe Zadka  <moshez at zadka.site.co.il> wrote:
>>On 23 Mar 2001, claird at starbase.neosoft.com (Cameron Laird) wrote:
>>
>><snipped a lot of wise things about CGI and Apache>
>>> That's a lot more exciting
>>> for them than hearing that, with a mere week or two of
>>> study, they can install Zope on their own.
>>
>>That's pure FUD. Zope takes <depending on your internet connection> time
>>to install, about 5 minutes to compile and 30 seconds to startup. And
>>using it is not necessarily harder then learning CGI. I'm only mentioning
>>it because "Zope is hard" seems to be a commonly uttered phrase, one that
>>I believed until I actually had to get a Zope server up and running.
>>
>>Hooking up Zope to Apache (say, with reverse proxying) is very easy, though
>>it does use some Apache configuration knowledge. This can all be learned
>>in a day, and anyone seriously using Apache needs to know about this
>>stuff.
>			.
>			.
>			.
>There are a lot of people who are frivolously using Apache.
>
>That is, I run into a lot of people who aren't equipped to
>install Apache on their own, let alone Zope.  They can *buy*
>Apache, though (more precisely, its service equivalent), and
>they want to know how far that'll take them, without any more
>"programming" or system administration on their part.  What
>use could someone uncomfortable with Zope installation pos-
>sibly have with Python as a programming language?  Well, it's
>a surprise to me, too, but often the answer is, "quite a lot."
>
>Moshe, you're right in all you write here.  I've seen quite a
>few folks, though, for whom it's all irrelevant.  They imagine
>themselves to have better things to do with a day than learn
>reverse proxying (for example).
>-- 
>
>Cameron Laird <claird at NeoSoft.com>
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