Mailman 3 February 2005 - Twisted-web

Open Source eLearning Project / Position Available
by David Moore 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi all, eXe is an open-source project at the University of Auckland to create an off-line, web-based authoring tool that will enable teachers and academics to publish web content without the need to become proficient in HTML or XML markup. Our first release of eXe can be downloaded from http://eduforge.org/frs/?group_id=20. It still has a long way to go, but is already creating interest in education circles. eXe is being developed in Python using the Twisted framework. XUL components are planned for the future. We're now looking to hire another Python programmer to add to the eXe development team. If you're interested please have a look at http://www.vacancies.auckland.ac.nz/positiondetail.asp?P=2992. More information on the eXe project can be found on Eduforge http://eduforge.org/projects/exe/ or through the eXe team's wiki at: http://exe.cfdl.auckland.ac.nz/wiki. Thanks, David Moore. University of Auckland, New Zealand. --

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wiki: MeLearnNevow
by Jeff Bauer 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

I'm in the process of learning Nevow. I thought I'd post some running commentary on the wiki while working through the examples. http://divmod.org/users/wiki.twistd/nevow/moin.cgi/MeLearnNevow Please feel free to fill in the gaps. Jeff Bauer Rubicon, Inc.

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when formless is useless
by Federico Di Gregorio 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi *, I have a very simple problem rendering forms that formless currently does not solve (at least, I was unable to solve it in formless.) I have two group of "controls" (input fields) that I'd like to put in separate fieldsets but in the same form. The problem here is that formless uses templates that are instantiated and then put in the form-arguments slot without any possibility of doing what I need. Obviously (as suggested on #twisted.web by dialtone and Tv) I can write the whole form from scratch, fill-in some custom slots for the value attributes from form defaults before calling renderForms() and let formless manage only the error checking. But this is so much work that *not using* formless results in less code. Ideas? federico -- Federico Di Gregorio http://people.initd.org/fog Debian GNU/Linux Developer fog(a)debian.org INIT.D Developer fog(a)initd.org Those who do not study Lisp are doomed to reimplement it. Poorly. -- from Karl M. Hegbloom .signature

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generating Canvas.swf without needing Flash
by Stefano Debenedetti 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Hello, I have done some experiments [1] in generating the Canvas.swf file using the excellent and free-of-charge KineticFusion SWF compiler [2] instead of the expensive Flash IDE. At first I simply used an empty RVML file (KF's XML format for representing SWFs) and tried to include the original canvas.as from SVN trunk but I got some (I guess trivial) compilation errors due to KineticFusion being slightly pickier than Flash on ECMAScript syntax. So I decompiled the original Canvas.swf, cut and pasted all the ECMAScript code to a new canvas.as and included that one and not only it works like a charm but the resulting SWF is slightly smaller too. Maybe this will enable future Nevow releases to ship without the Canvas.fla file, which is then redundant and introduces a dependency on Flash for people willing to grok it. ciao ste [1] http://demaledetti.net/ste/nevow/ [2] http://www.kinesissoftware.com

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Redering common patterns
by Sridhar Ratna aka Srid 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Hello all, I have sequence of Posts to render. The Post object has an involved xml-template as show below  <n:invisible n:data="recentPosts" n:render="sequence">  <div n:pattern="item" class="blogEntryBody"> <h2 class="title"> <n:invisible n:data="title" n:render="post_title"/> </h2> <div n:data="at" n:render="post_date" class="date"></div> <div n:data="body" n:render="xml"></div> <div class="posted"> in <span n:data="tags" n:render="sequence"> <n:invisible n:pattern="item" n:render="tag"></n:invisible> <span n:pattern="divider">|</span> </span> </div> </div> </n:invisible> Now, I need to re-use this Post pattern (below 'A Post comment) in multiple places. If you place them in a seperate file, it would be imposibble to use them in this example (sequence renderer). Do you think of any solution? "duplication is bad idea, so could not resist" -- Sridhar Ratna - http://srid.bsdnerds.org

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Encoding bug in Safari's XMLHttpRequest
by David Remahl 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Playing around with LiveSite I encountered a bug in Apple's webkit which is used by Safari, OmniWeb and a few other browsers. The XMLHttpRequest object used by those browsers (and probably KHTML based browsers, too, if they've integerated the code) has a bug which causes the response to always be interpreted as ISO-8859-1 instead of in the encoding specified by the content-type, xml document or the parent document. I sent a mail to Apple's webcore mailing list <http://lists.apple.com/archives/webcore-dev/2005/Feb/msg00001.html> and got a reply saying that the bug has been fixed in an unreleased version of the framework. How would people feel about cluttering liveevil.js with code for checking for WebKit versions up to and including the current one, and attempt to re-interpret the string as UTF-8 if found? A version check and then something along the lines of _from_utf8() on <http://homepage3.nifty.com/aokura/jscript/utf8.html> should do it, but that would add dozens of lines to the beautifully simple script... / Sincerely, David

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'mapping' renderer must not use 'slot'
by Sridhar Ratna 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

I will put it shortly. Imagine a mapping type like this .. map = { '1': 'ordinary_string_suitable_for_slot', # simple value '2': [ {4:5}, {6:7} ] # complex value } If data_foo returns the above dict, the usual way to render it is using render="mapping". (we assume perfect decoupling between logic and presentation) But 'mapping' renderer uses 'slots'. 'slots' could handle only the first value (keyed '1'), but not the second value (keyed '2') in the dict. That is 'slots' cannot handle complex values like [ {4:5}, {6:7} ]. In this case, the list should be rendered using 'sequence' renderer. But the 'sequence' requires 'data' and 'slot' deals with presentation. Thus is no (decoupled) way to render the above dict (map) say. The best one could come up with is <div n:data="foo" n:render="mapping"> <h2><n:slot name="1"/></h2>   </div> For me, the perfect solution to this problem seems to be using 'pattern' instead of 'slot' for the 'mapping' renderer. The only advantage of 'slot' to 'pattern' is simplicity of use, but it introduces some restrictions as we just saw the in the above example. PS: 'mapping' renderer is just one example, with which I met the conflict. -- Sridhar Ratna - http://srid.bsdnerds.org

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Nevow and Twisted 2.0 deprecations
by Kevin Dangoor 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

Hi, I've just decided to switch to Nevow (from Quixote) for an application I'm working on. I'm using Nevow from svn and the Twisted 2.0 pre-alpha. I'm seeing some deprecation warnings, but I'm not sure what the Nevow/Twisted 2.0 plan is. Would it be helpful if I submit patches for Nevow's use of deprecated routines? Kevin

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how to authenticate with a SSL apache server?
by Gustavo Rahal 12 Feb '05

12 Feb '05

Hi I'm using apache as proxy to a xmlrpc server. How do I set the client xmlrpc to connect to apache using ssl, username and passaword? A prototype of what my idea: from twisted.web.xmlrpc import Proxy from twisted.internet import reactor proxy = Proxy('https://localhost/RPC2') """ apache should redirect to 192.168.2.22:7080... how do I send username and password? """" proxy.callRemote('status_mds').addCallbacks(self.buildMDSObject, self.printError) ........ Thanks Gustavo

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mailman with twisted
by Andrea Arcangeli 11 Feb '05

11 Feb '05

I'm trying to setup mailman, but I had not much luck so far. I'm testing it like this: import pwd uid = pwd.getpwnam('andrea')[2] gid = int(file('/etc/mailman/mailman.cgi-gid').read()) from twisted.application import service application = service.Application('mailman', uid=uid, gid=gid) from twisted.application import internet, service s = service.MultiService() from twisted.web import server, distrib, twcgi, static from twisted.spread import pb r = twcgi.CGIDirectory('/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin') r.putChild('pipermail', static.File('/var/lib/mailman/archives/public')) site = server.Site(r) internet.UNIXServer('/var/lib/mailman/.twistd-web-pb', pb.PBServerFactory(distrib.ResourcePublisher(site))).setServiceParent(s) s.setServiceParent(service.IServiceCollection(application)) However the above isn't good, the socket is created word writeable, and it's owned by root, the setuid is executed later on (which is a good thing normally to bind ports <1024, but not in this case). And if the file is already present I get the below problem. Why can't simply bind the device without recreating it? I don't recall any bind(2) limitation in the kernel that forces to recreate the device. At least there should be an option to auto-delete it. opteron:/home/andrea/cpushare/server/cpushare/cpushare/web # twistd -r poll -noy mailman.tac 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] Log opened. 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] twistd SVN-trunk (/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/bin/python 2.4.1) starting up 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] reactor class: twisted.internet.pollreactor.PollReactor 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] Loading mailman.tac... 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/woven/interfaces.py:60: twisted.python.components.ComponentsDeprecationWarning: Please don't use __adapt__ on Interface subclasses 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/woven/interfaces.py:135: twisted.python.components.ComponentsDeprecationWarning: Please don't use __adapt__ on Interface subclasses 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] Loaded. 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] twisted.spread.pb.PBServerFactory starting on "'/var/lib/mailman/.twistd-web-pb'" 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] Starting factory <twisted.spread.pb.PBServerFactory instance at 0x55e36bcc> 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] Traceback (most recent call last): 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python/bin/twistd", line 25, in ? 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] run() 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/scripts/twistd.py", line 171, in run 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] app.run(runApp, ServerOptions) 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/application/app.py", line 221, in run 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] runApp(config) 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/scripts/twistd.py", line 162, in runApp 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] startApplication(config, application) 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/scripts/twistd.py", line 146, in startApplication 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] service.IService(application).privilegedStartService() 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/application/service.py", line 194, in privilegedStartService 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] service.privilegedStartService() 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/application/service.py", line 194, in privilegedStartService 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] service.privilegedStartService() 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/application/internet.py", line 65, in privilegedStartService 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] self._port = self._getPort() 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/application/internet.py", line 82, in _getPort 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] return getattr(reactor, 'listen'+self.method)(*self.args, **self.kwargs) 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/internet/posixbase.py", line 322, in listenUNIX 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] p.startListening() 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] File "/home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/internet/unix.py", line 85, in startListening 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] raise CannotListenError, (None, self.port, le) 2005/02/10 06:45 CET [-] twisted.internet.error.CannotListenError: Couldn't listen on any:/var/lib/mailman/.twistd-web-pb: (98, 'Address already in use'). Second worse problem is in pb, when I connect the nevow server to this remote server with this: class something(rend.Page): [..] from twisted.web import server, distrib, twcgi, static child_mailman = distrib.ResourceSubscription('unix', '/var/lib/mailman/.twistd-web-pb') [..] When I try to fetch /mailman I get this: 2005/02/10 05:52 CET [Broker,client] [Failure instance: Traceback: twisted.spread.jelly.InsecureJelly, Class not allowed for instance: twisted.internet.defer.Deferred <Deferred at 0x561eed6c> /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/pb.py:855:_sendMessage /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/pb.py:809:serialize /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/jelly.py:838:jelly /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/jelly.py:444:jelly /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/jelly.py:400:jelly /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/flavors.py:304:jellyFor /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/jelly.py:448:jelly /home/andrea/bin/i686/python-20050207/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/spread/jelly.py:473:jelly ] 2005/02/10 06:08 CET [Broker,client] could not connect to distributed web service: connection dropped 2005/02/10 06:08 CET [Broker,client] Stopping factory <twisted.spread.pb.PBClientFactory instance at 0x561ffa6c> The only document I found about it, is this: http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-web/2004-July/000555.html The absurd thing is that the test programs works fine (test_distrib.py and silly-web.py both works). I'm lost... ;) (last resort is always to run apache on port 8080 just for mailman, but I'd rather avoid opening two webservers in the firewall) This problem must be already solved somehow since twistedmatrix.com has it working. I'm running SVN trunk for everything, except python that is the 2.4 branch. Thanks in advance for any help.

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