Mailman 3 December 2013 - docs

[issue17576] PyNumber_Index() is not int-subclass friendly
by Barry A. Warsaw Nov. 23, 2020

Nov. 23, 2020

New submission from Barry A. Warsaw: operator.index() is just a thin wrapper around PyNumber_Index(). The documentation for operator.index() claims that it is equivalent to calling obj.__index__() but for subclasses of int, this is not true. In fact, PyNumber_Index() first does (e.g. in Python 3.3) a PyLong_Check() and if that succeeds, the original object is returned *without* doing the moral equivalent in C of calling obj.__index__(). An example: class myint(int): def __index__(self): return int(self) + 1 >>> x = myint(7) >>> x.__index__() 8 >>> from operator import index >>> index(x) 7 The C API documents PyNumber_Index() as: "Returns the o converted to a Python int on success or NULL with a TypeError exception raised on failure." Because this has been the behavior of PyNumber_Index() since at least 2.7 (I didn't check farther back), this probably cannot be classified as a bug deserving to be fixed in the code for older Pythons. It might be worth fixing for Python 3.4, i.e. by moving the index check before the type check. In the meantime, this is probably a documentation bug. The C API implies, but should be clearer that if o is an int subtype (int and long in Python 2), it is returned unchanged. The operator.index() documentation should be amended to describe this behavior for int/long subclasses. A different alternative would be to leave PyNumber_Index() unchanged, but with the doco fix, and to augment operator.index() to do the PyIndex_Check() first, before calling PyNumber_Index(). That's a little more redundant, but would provide the documented behavior without changing the C API. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 185522 nosy: barry, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: PyNumber_Index() is not int-subclass friendly type: behavior versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2, Python 3.3, Python 3.4 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue17576> _______________________________________

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[issue17854] symmetric difference operation applicable to more than two sets
by Amit Saha Nov. 18, 2020

Nov. 18, 2020

New submission from Amit Saha: The description of the symmetric difference operation implies that it cannot be applied to more than two sets (http://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#set.symmetric_difference). However, this is certainly possible: >>> s={1,2} >>> t={2,3} >>> u={3,4} >>> s^t^u {1, 4} >>> s.symmetric_difference(t).symmetric_difference(u) {1, 4} I am not sure how much of a "semantic" sense that makes, given that symmetric difference is by definition for two sets. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_difference). So, either the operator should be fixed to allow only two sets or the description be updated. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 187899 nosy: Amit.Saha, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: symmetric difference operation applicable to more than two sets type: behavior versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue17854> _______________________________________

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[issue17887] docs: summary page - generator vs iterator vs iterable
by anatoly techtonik Nov. 17, 2020

Nov. 17, 2020

New submission from anatoly techtonik: Docs lack a good summary page comparing three concepts. The main question is how do I tell if something is a sequence, generator, iterator or iterable? I found myself puzzled that range() is neither generator or iterator. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 188203 nosy: docs@python, techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: docs: summary page - generator vs iterator vs iterable _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue17887> _______________________________________

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[issue13875] cmd: no user documentation
by anatoly techtonik Nov. 17, 2020

Nov. 17, 2020

New submission from anatoly techtonik <techtonik(a)gmail.com>: http://docs.python.org/library/cmd.html# Documentation for cmd module is poor to explain the value of this module to users. Intro is too abstract - phrase "simple framework for writing line-oriented command interpreters" doesn't mean much. Perhaps word "interactive" is missing? So, there is no part explaining the what cmd does exactly (intro fails) and no part explaining the main principle - How exactly does this framework allows to do this in a simple way? (I guess reference part under 'Cmd objects -> Cmd.cmdloop([intro]) -> p[4]` does that, but it is not the place you'd usually expect this info. At the very least what could be done is a link to Doug's tutorial http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/cmd/ ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 152010 nosy: docs@python, techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: cmd: no user documentation _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue13875> _______________________________________

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[issue17939] Misleading information about slice assignment in docs
by Stefan Chrobot Nov. 17, 2020

Nov. 17, 2020

New submission from Stefan Chrobot: http://docs.python.org/3/reference/simple_stmts.html#assignment-statements The docs says: "If the target is a slicing: The primary expression in the reference is evaluated. It should yield a mutable sequence object (such as a list). The assigned object should be a sequence object of the same type." This seems wrong, because the assigned object can be any iterable: a = [4, 5, 6] a[0:0] = range(1, 4) # a is now [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 188738 nosy: docs@python, stefanchrobot priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Misleading information about slice assignment in docs type: enhancement versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue17939> _______________________________________

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[issue9538] Replace confusing pseudoname 'object' in special methods section.
by Terry J. Reedy Nov. 17, 2020

Nov. 17, 2020

New submission from Terry J. Reedy <tjreedy(a)udel.edu>: In 3.3. Special method names, 'object' is used as a pseudo class name to prefix all the special method entries. This conflicts with the usual two Python meanings. 1. 'object' is the name of a specific class. So the entry for object.__getattribute__(self, name) says to avoid circularity by calling object.__getattribute__(self, name), which looks circular and requires a bit a mental work by the reader to properly understand. Ditto for object.__setattr__(self, name, value) calling object.__setattr__(self, name, value) 2. Non-specifically, 'object' is usually understood to mean any Python object, not just a class. But the signatures as written require that 'object' specifically be a class and 'object' does not convey that. So for both reasons, I propose that the pseudoname 'object' be replaces with 'class' or 'someclass' ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 113194 nosy: docs@python, georg.brandl, terry.reedy priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: Replace confusing pseudoname 'object' in special methods section. versions: Python 3.2 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue9538> _______________________________________

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[issue13561] os.listdir documentation should mention surrogateescape
by Michael Foord Nov. 16, 2020

Nov. 16, 2020

New submission from Michael Foord <michael(a)voidspace.org.uk>: Where os.listdir encounters undecodable bytes from the filesystem it uses the surrogateescape handler. As the resulting strings are invalid they can't be encoded without an errorhandler, and so can't be printed (for example). This should be documented. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 149070 nosy: docs@python, michael.foord priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: os.listdir documentation should mention surrogateescape versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue13561> _______________________________________

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[issue14338] urllib2 HowTo for overriding post/3xx behavior.
by beeNuts Nov. 16, 2020

Nov. 16, 2020

New submission from beeNuts <jeff.adams(a)linux.com>: Issue #14144, with the title "urllib2 HTTPRedirectHandler not forwarding POST data in redirect" was recently closed with these comments: "This could be cookbook recipe style example, if it's utility value is high. I am closing this issue as I feel that the requirement may not be addressed by a change. If there is patch for HowTo, we can tackle that in another issue. Thank you for contribution." The decision that documents on this issue were preferable to a patch seems like a fair compromise, especially considering that the RFC is decidedly ambiguous.I was wondering if the HowTo would be forthcoming? It seems to me that the value/utility would certainly be high. I'd submit it myself but I'm so new to Python that I don't trust my ability to do it correctly. It's something I would find highly useful, though. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 156080 nosy: beerNuts, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: urllib2 HowTo for overriding post/3xx behavior. versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue14338> _______________________________________

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[issue17437] Difference between open and codecs.open
by Giampaolo Rodola' Nov. 15, 2020

Nov. 15, 2020

New submission from Giampaolo Rodola': In Python 2 the distinction between open() and codes.open() was clear because 'encoding' and 'errors' args were provided by codecs.open only. This is no longer the case in Python 3 since both args are provided also by open(). I'm probably missing something but regardless I think codecs.open doc [1] should be more clear as to when and why (say) codecs.open(file, encoding='utf8', errors='ignore') should be preferred over open(file, encoding='utf8', errors='ignore'). [1] http://docs.python.org/3/library/codecs.html#codecs.open ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 184303 nosy: docs@python, ezio.melotti, giampaolo.rodola priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Difference between open and codecs.open versions: Python 3.2, Python 3.3, Python 3.4 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue17437> _______________________________________

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[issue10709] Misc/AIX-NOTES needs updating
by Antoine Pitrou Nov. 11, 2020

Nov. 11, 2020

New submission from Antoine Pitrou <pitrou(a)free.fr>: Sébastien, would you like to provide an updated version of that file? The current contents look hopelessly outdated. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 124024 nosy: docs@python, pitrou, sable priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: Misc/AIX-NOTES needs updating versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue10709> _______________________________________

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