Mailman 3 June 2018 - docs

[issue21510] fma documentation should provide better example.
by Jayanth Koushik Oct. 26, 2020

Oct. 26, 2020

New submission from Jayanth Koushik: The documentation for decimal.fma provides an example which fails to illustrate the most important feature of the function i.e. single rounding. In fact: Decimal(2).fma(3, 5) == Decimal(2)*3 + 5 An example such as this would make it much more clear: >>> getcontext().prec = 2 >>> getcontext().rounding = ROUND_DOWN >>> Decimal('1.5')*Decimal('1.5') + Decimal('1.05') Decimal('3.2') >>> Decimal('1.5').fma(Decimal('1.5'), Decimal('1.05')) Decimal('3.3') ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 218592 nosy: docs@python, jayanthkoushik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: fma documentation should provide better example. type: enhancement versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2, Python 3.3, Python 3.4, Python 3.5 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue21510> _______________________________________

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[issue26954] Add Guido's rejection notice to the "with" FAQ
by Steven D'Aprano Oct. 26, 2020

Oct. 26, 2020

New submission from Steven D'Aprano: The FAQs include a discussion of the rejected Pascal "with" statement (different from the Python `with`). From time to time people propose variants of it, such as using a leading dot to make it unambiguous. Guido has just firmly rejected the latest such proposal. The FAQ should be updated to make it clear that even with a leading dot the proposal is dead, with a link to Guido's pronouncement. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/2016-May/040070.html ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 264832 nosy: docs@python, steven.daprano priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Add Guido's rejection notice to the "with" FAQ versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.2, Python 3.3, Python 3.4, Python 3.5, Python 3.6 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue26954> _______________________________________

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[issue15339] document the threading "facts of life" in Python
by Chris Jerdonek Oct. 26, 2020

Oct. 26, 2020

New submission from Chris Jerdonek <chris.jerdonek(a)gmail.com>: I think it would be helpful if the Python documentation included certain high-level information about multi-threading in Python. At minimum, I think it would help for the documentation to provide a definition that can be linked to of what it means when some part of the Python documentation says something is "thread-safe". In particular, such a definition could clarify that this is different from being atomic. This might best be addressed by an entry in the glossary for the term "thread-safe". Other documentation possibilities include stating what guarantees one should or should not expect regarding thread-safety, both within and across implementations, and providing centralized guidance on how to approach multi-threaded programming in Python. A HOWTO is one possibility for addressing these other possibilities. This issue stems from the discussion in issue 15329, which is more specific. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 165336 nosy: cjerdonek, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: document the threading "facts of life" in Python _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue15339> _______________________________________

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[issue12832] The documentation for the print function should explain/point to how to control the sys.stdout encoding
by R. David Murray Oct. 25, 2020

Oct. 25, 2020

New submission from R. David Murray <rdmurray(a)bitdance.com>: A common problem encountered when using python3 is writing non-ascii to stdout. This will work fine if stdout is a terminal and the terminal encoding handles the characters, but will fail if stdout is later redirected to a pipe. The docs for sys.stdout and for print should contain or point to an explanation of why, and how to solve the problem (ie: how to set the encoding for sys.stdout/sys.stderr). Note that IMO it makes more sense for sys.stdout to default to the LOCALE encoding, but that should be a separate issue. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 142880 nosy: docs@python, r.david.murray priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: The documentation for the print function should explain/point to how to control the sys.stdout encoding versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.2, Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue12832> _______________________________________

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[issue29981] Update Index set, dict, and generator 'comprehensions'
by Terry J. Reedy Oct. 25, 2020

Oct. 25, 2020

New submission from Terry J. Reedy: The index currently has comprehensions *list* with *list* linked to 6.2.5 List displays. I suggest: 1. Link *comprehensions* to 6.2.4. Displays for lists, sets and dictionaries 2. Add subentries *set*, *dict*, and *generator* linked to 2a. 6.2.6. Set displays 2b. 6.2.7. Dictionary displays 2c. 6.2.8. Generator expressions We don't *call* generator expressions 'generator comprehensions', but that is what they are syntactically and one looking for 'comprehensions' should be able to find them there. There is already *list* ... *comprehensions* ... *list comprehensions* with 'list' and 'list comprehensions' linked to glossary entries, while 'list, comprehensions' links to the same section as 'comprehensions, list'. 3. Add 'set/dictionary, comprehensions' sub-entries linked like 'list, com 4. Add Glossary entries and links like 'list comprehensions' ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation keywords: easy messages: 291129 nosy: docs@python, terry.reedy priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: Update Index set, dict, and generator 'comprehensions' type: behavior versions: Python 3.6, Python 3.7 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue29981> _______________________________________

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[issue25509] PyImport_ImportModule inaccurately described
by Memeplex Oct. 23, 2020

Oct. 23, 2020

New submission from Memeplex: The documentation (for 3.5) states that "[PyImport_ImportModule] is a simplified interface to PyImport_ImportModuleEx()" but the current implementation calls PyImport_Import instead, which is a higher level interface that takes into account import hooks. Older versions of PyImport_ImportModule (say 2.0) did call PyImport_ImportModuleEx, but that's no longer the case. The PyImport_Import* naming convention got a bit messy with the years and maybe I'm not understanding the intention quite well, but it seems to me that the documentation is outdated and that there is a change in semantics for PyImport_ImportModule. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 253674 nosy: docs@python, memeplex priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: PyImport_ImportModule inaccurately described versions: Python 3.5 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue25509> _______________________________________

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[issue12174] Multiprocessing logging levels unclear
by JJeffries Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

New submission from JJeffries <jamesjeffries1(a)gmail.com>: It is unclear without reference to the logging module where the multiprocessing logging levels fit in the normal logging provided by the logging module, even though it says above the table "The table below illustrates where theses fit in the normal level hierarchy. +----------------+----------------+ | Level | Numeric value | +================+================+ | ``SUBWARNING`` | 25 | +----------------+----------------+ | ``SUBDEBUG`` | 5 | +----------------+----------------+" I propose adding further values from the logging module for clarification. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 136839 nosy: JJeffries, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Multiprocessing logging levels unclear versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue12174> _______________________________________

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[issue13047] imp.find_module("") and imp.find_module(".")
by Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

New submission from Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis <Arfrever.FTA(a)GMail.Com>: It's undocumented that imp.find_module("") and imp.find_module(".") try to find __init__.py. There is also a small difference in behavior between them. sys.path by default contains "" as the first element, which is sufficient for imp.find_module("."), but not for imp.find_module(""): $ mkdir /tmp/imp_tests $ cd /tmp/imp_tests $ touch __init__.py $ python3.3 -c 'import imp, sys; print(repr(sys.path[0])); print(imp.find_module("."))' '' (None, '.', ('', '', 5)) $ python3.3 -c 'import imp, sys; print(repr(sys.path[0])); print(imp.find_module(""))' '' Traceback (most recent call last): File "<string>", line 1, in <module> ImportError: No module named '' If sys.path contains path (e.g. "." or absolute path) to directory with __init__.py file, then imp.find_module("") will succeed: $ PYTHONPATH="." python3.3 -c 'import imp, sys; print(repr(sys.path[0:2])); print(imp.find_module("."))' ['', '/tmp/imp_tests'] (None, '.', ('', '', 5)) $ PYTHONPATH="." python3.3 -c 'import imp, sys; print(repr(sys.path[0:2])); print(imp.find_module(""))' ['', '/tmp/imp_tests'] (None, '/tmp/imp_tests/', ('', '', 5)) $ python3.3 -c 'import imp, sys; sys.path.insert(1, "."); print(repr(sys.path[0:2])); print(imp.find_module("."))' ['', '.'] (None, '.', ('', '', 5)) $ python3.3 -c 'import imp, sys; sys.path.insert(1, "."); print(repr(sys.path[0:2])); print(imp.find_module(""))' ['', '.'] (None, './', ('', '', 5)) I think that imp.find_module(".") and imp.find_module("") should have the same behavior, and this behavior should be documented. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation, Interpreter Core messages: 144531 nosy: Arfrever, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: imp.find_module("") and imp.find_module(".") versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.2, Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue13047> _______________________________________

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[issue14979] pdb: Link to source
by anatoly techtonik Oct. 22, 2020

Oct. 22, 2020

New submission from anatoly techtonik <techtonik(a)gmail.com>: http://docs.python.org/library/pdb.html#pdb.Pdb Documentation for pdb says: "The debugger is extensible — it is actually defined as the class Pdb. This is currently undocumented but easily understood by reading the source." There should a link to the source. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation, Library (Lib) messages: 162074 nosy: docs@python, techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: pdb: Link to source _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue14979> _______________________________________

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[issue19438] Where is NoneType in Python 3?
by mpb Oct. 21, 2020

Oct. 21, 2020

New submission from mpb: types.NoneType seems to have disappeared in Python 3. This is probably intentional, but I cannot figure out how to test if a variable is of type NoneType in Python 3. Specifically, I want to write: assert type (v) in ( bytes, types.NoneType ) Yes, I could write: assert v is None or type (v) is bytes But the first assert statement is easier to read (IMO). Here are links to various Python 3 documentation about None: [1] http://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#index-2 [2] http://docs.python.org/3/library/constants.html#None Link [2] says: "None The sole value of the type NoneType." However, NoneType is not listed in the Python 3 documentation index. (As compared with the Python 2 index, where NoneType is listed.) [3] http://docs.python.org/3/library/types.html If NoneType is gone in Python 3, mention of NoneType should probably be removed from link [2]. If NoneType is present in Python 3, the docs (presumably at least one of the above links, and hopefully also the index) should tell me how to use it. Here is another link: [4] http://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#bltin-type-objects "The standard module types defines names for all standard built-in types." (Except <class 'NoneType'> ???) None is a built-in constant. It has a type. If None's type is not considered to be a "standard built-in type", then IMO this is surprising(!!) and should be documented somewhere (for example, at link [4], and possibly elsewhere as well.) Thanks! ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 201666 nosy: docs@python, mpb priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Where is NoneType in Python 3? versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue19438> _______________________________________

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