Mailman 3 March 2009 - pypy-dev

http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan
by Christian Tismer 07 Apr '09

07 Apr '09

Hi friends, please have a look at this. http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan is this YAIPAP ? Yet Another Ignorant Python Acceleration Project I see them mentioning Hölzle and Self, and I see a reference to Psyco where they want to steal from, but PyPy does not exist. IMHO, this is totally GAGA - chris -- Christian Tismer :^) <mailto:tismer@stackless.com> tismerysoft GmbH : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9A : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 802 86 56 mobile +49 173 24 18 776 fax +49 30 80 90 57 05 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/

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the next time we get frustrated with buildbot
by Laura Creighton 01 Apr '09

01 Apr '09

Something Open Source that somebody says is better.... I'd never heard of it before ... Laura - ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: testing-in-python-bounces(a)lists.idyll.org Delivery-Date: Tue Mar 31 18:16:27 2009 Return-Path: <testing-in-python-bounces(a)lists.idyll.org> From: Kumar McMillan <kumar.mcmillan(a)gmail.com> To: titus(a)idyll.org Cc:tip@lists.idyll.org Subject: Re: [TIP] Everybody wants a pony! X-BeenThere: testing-in-python(a)lists.idyll.org On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:32 AM, C. Titus Brown <ctb(a)msu.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > > one thing that became clear at PyCon this year is that everyone wants a > pony. Preferably a pink pony. > > (You had to be there.) > > Anyway, along the lines of a pony, I am proposing to build or extend a > replacement for buildbot that will serve those of you who need a simpler > and more easily-installable continuous interation framework. I have a > few basic ideas, but I'd love to hear what everyone else has to say. I hate to be "that guy;" I love Python, really I do, but what I love more is when a great open source tool with great documentation and a community of maintainers solves a problem better than any other tool. It makes the decision process easy. It's called Hudson: https://hudson.dev.java.net/ Yes, it is written in Java but Java is ubiquitous and Hudson is light years beyond Buildbot. Anyone (i.e. non-programmers) can configure builds and workflows very easily. If not obvious from the documentation, you can build and test anything, it doesn't have to be Java. At Leapfrog we have converted all of our Python and Ruby buildbots to Hudson (oh did I say that out loud?) and have never been happier or more efficient in how we do continuous integration. You don't need anything special in your tests to use Hudson but you get some extra details (that buildbot never provided) if you use xunit style test output. There are several nose plugins for this like Nosexunit -- the androgynous plugin. Example: nosetests --with-nosexunit Titus, if you *must* spend your precious spare time (your hourly rate is what now? priceless?) on this then at the very least make a Python clone of Hudson :) But seriously, give it a fair try and I think you'll like it. It has a plugin system too. I assume one could write plugins using Jython even. > > Roughly speaking, I'd like to have pony-build do the following, relative > to buildbot: > > - "push" results from the client back to the server over an RPC > connection, rather than have the server control the client. > (That is, base it on a polling model rather than a remote control > model.) > > - Be trivially installable on clients (a single "easy_install" that > works, even for Steve Holden). > > - A separable and flexible reporting server to support RPC queries and > programmable workflows. > > - A separable and flexible scheduling/config server to support build > requests and request builds on specific servers. > > - "Anonymous" push of results, so that Joe Blow users can build, > compile, test, and send the results back to the server for your > examination, without breaking a sweat. > > - Push of metadata to the reporting server for e.g. communication of > coverage data. > > - distutils/setuptools and configure/make support. > > A lot of these ideas come from comparing DART with buildbot, and having > good (and bad) experiences with both. > > We do have a prototype up and running and I'll try to get a screencast > up within a week or two. > > Your thoughts welcome! > > cheers, > --titus > -- > C. Titus Brown, ctb(a)msu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > testing-in-python mailing list > testing-in-python(a)lists.idyll.org > http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/testing-in-python > _______________________________________________ testing-in-python mailing list testing-in-python(a)lists.idyll.org http://lists.idyll.org/listinfo/testing-in-python ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Google Summer of code
by Chris Nicholls 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

Hello, I'm a student interested in taking part in Google summer of code with pypy. I've been following pypy for a while now and this seems like a good opportunity to get involved, Is there a list of ideas anywhere? I'm not particularly sure on where to start... I found last years list here<http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/project-ideas.html>but I expect its quite out of date. Chris

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RPython rendering of % operator
by Ben Mellor 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

Does anyone know why lambda x, y: x % y is being converted to a flow graph as: v2 = int_mod(x_0, y_0) v1 = int_add(v2, [int_mul([int_and([cast_bool_to_int([int_le([int_xor(x_0, y_0)], (0))])], [cast_bool_to_int([int_ne(v2, (0))])])], y_0)]) (v1 is returned) What's wrong with just v1 = int_mod(x_0, y_0)? -- Ben

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GSoC proposal - C++ binding
by Igor Trindade Oliveira 25 Mar '09

25 Mar '09

Hi guys, i was talking with some pypy guys about work in this summer in GSoC with C++ bindings to Pypy and i wrote a proposal and i like that you review it. Igor PROPOSAL: Problem Pypy are becoming one of the most used Python interpreter because it is easy and flexible, but we still have a big problem, it does not have any binding to any Graphical User Interface(GUI) and we have the second problem, many GUIs are wrote in C++(like Qt or WxWidgets) and Pypy can not access C++ code because it does not have any C API, it just can access C code using ctypes. Solution Many solutions had been argued but the main solution is use Reflex[2],which is developed at CERN (which has an incredible amount of C++ libraries). It is not mainly intended for writing Python bindings for C++ libraries but instead provides reflection capabilities for C++. The idea is that for every C++ shared library, an additional shared library is produced, which allows together with Reflex to introspect properties of C++ classes, methods, etc. at runtime. These facilities are then used for writing a small generic CPython extension module, that allows CPython to use any C++ library for which this reflection information was generated [3]. This approach is a bit similar to the ctypes module, apart from the fact that ctypes does not use any reflection information, but the user has to specify the data structures that occur in the C code herself. This makes it sometimes rather burdensome to write cross-platform library bindings. For PyPy the approach seems rather fitting: We would need to implement only the generic extension module(a C language interface to Reflex) and could then use any number of C++ libraries. Goals The main goal of this project is to do a C reflex interface and make an easy API using ctypes to RPython communicate with that interface. More specific, the goals of the project are: 1.create an interface to reflex in C; 2.Use RPython ctypes to communicate with it; 3.create an API to RPython ctypes have an easy way to communicate with C reflex. 4.Begin a binding to Qt; Timeline The Google Summer of Code is subdivided in two parts. First part plans: 1.work in reflex to create a C interface for it. 2.Begin work on RPython ctypes; Second part plans: 1.create an API to RPython ctypes communicate with C reflex; 2.Begin Qt binding; Bio My name is Igor Trindade Oliveira, I am a Undergraduate Computer Engineering student in Brazil, in the fourth year. I work also in KDE project in KDE-PIM projects[1] and have experience with microcontrollers like 8051, MSP430, Mips r4000 and Arm 9. And with KDE I have very experience with C++ code. [1] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi/Testing [2] http://root.cern.ch/drupal/content/reflex [3] http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2008/10/sprint-discussions-c-library- bindings.html

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pypy for typed languages?
by Geoffrey Irving 24 Mar '09

24 Mar '09

Hello, I've come to the conclusion that JIT compilation is essential to avoid abstract penalties even for typed languages. The one sentence summary is that the C++ inline keyword is exactly the opposite of what you want: in a JIT language you can have a "flatten" function that recursively inlines everything that a function calls (including closures). Thus, I'm curious about whether pypy could be practically applied to a typed front end language, say with the following basic set of features: 1. Packed storage such as C structs and arrays. 2. A Hindley Milner polymorphic type system with type classes. In particular, what restrictions does pypy impose on storage layout? For example, would it be able to handle dynamically-typed homogeneous lists, represented as a single pointer to a type object and an array of structs required to be of that type? Also, if pypy can target LLVM, how do you imagine the two JIT systems cooperating (if at all)? Thanks! Geoffrey

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Re: [pypy-dev] [OT] PyPy/python newb - need dbm other than dumbdbm anddbm
by Vincent Legoll 24 Mar '09

24 Mar '09

Hello, have you tried tailor (http://progetti.arstecnica.it/tailor) I've had good experience with it converting perforce to svn, a branch with about 220 K changesets on mid-end workstation HW (4 GB Ram / Dual-proc dual core Xeon 1.8 GHz) I can't remeber the total time it took, but it was in the 2-4 days range. tailor keeps state of where it is in the process of migration, so it can restart at the same place in case a problem needs to be manually solved. The process was more IO bound than CPU bound, I don't know how well it handles cvs though. -- Vincent Legoll

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EuroSciPy -- Place to find people who might like to try out the JIT?
by Laura Creighton 23 Mar '09

23 Mar '09

just a thought, Laura ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: python-announce-list-bounces+lac=openend.se(a)python.org Delivery-Date: Mon Mar 23 09:32:52 2009 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:59:56 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Mike_M=FCller?= <mmueller(a)python-academy.de> Organization: Python Academy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-announce-list(a)python.org Subject: EuroSciPy 2009, Leipzig, Germany, July 25-26 EuroSciPy 2009 ============== We're pleased to announce the EuroSciPy 2009 Conference to be held in Leipzig, Germany on July 25-26, 2009. http://www.euroscipy.org This is the second conference after the successful conference last year. Again, EuroSciPy will be a venue for the European community of users of the Python programming language in science. Call for Participation - ---------------------- If you are a scientist using Python for your computational work, we'd love to have you formally present your results, methods or experiences. To apply to present a talk at this year's EuroSciPy, please submit an abstract of your talk as a PDF, MS Word or plain text file to mmueller at python-academy dot de. The deadline for abstract submission is April 30, 2009. Papers and/or presentation slides are acceptable and are due by June 15, 2009. Presentations will be allotted 30 minutes. Registration - ------------ Registration is open. The registration fee is 100.00 ¤ for early registrants and will increase to 150.00 ¤ for late registration after June 15, 2009. Registration will include breakfast, snacks and lunch for Saturday and Sunday. Please register here: http://www.euroscipy.org/presentations/index.html Important Dates - --------------- March 21 Registration opens April 30 Abstract submission deadline May 15 Acceptance of presentations May 30 Announcement of conference program June 15 Early bird registration deadline June 15 Paper/slides submission deadline July 20 - 24 Pre-Conference courses July 25/26 Conference Venue - ----- mediencampus Poetenweg 28 04155 Leipzig Germany See http://www.euroscipy.org/venue.html for details. Help Welcome - ------------ You like to help make the EuroSciPy 2009 a success? Here are some ways you can get involved: * attend the conference * submit an abstract for a presentation * give a lightning talk * make EuroSciPy known: - write about it on your website - in your blog - talk to friends about it - post to local e-mail lists - post to related forums - spread flyers and posters in your institution - make entries in relevant event calendars - anything you can think of * inform potential sponsors about the event * become a sponsor If you're interested in volunteering to help organize things or have some other idea that can help the conference, please email us at mmueller at python-academy dot de. Sponsorship - ----------- Do you like to sponsor the conference? There are several options available: http://www.euroscipy.org/sponsors/become_a_sponsor.html Pre-Conference Courses - ---------------------- Would you like to learn Python or about some of the most used scientific libraries in Python? Then the "Python Summer Course" [1] might be for you. There are two parts to this course: * a two-day course "Introduction to Python" [2] for people with programming experience in other languages and * a three-day course "Python for Scientists and Engineers" [3] that introduces some of the most used Python tools for scientists and engineers such as NumPy, PyTables, and matplotlib Both courses can be booked individually [4]. Of course, you can attend the courses without registering for EuroSciPy. [1] http://www.python-academy.com/courses/python_summer_course.html [2] http://www.python-academy.com/courses/python_course_programmers.html [3] http://www.python-academy.com/courses/python_course_scientists.html [4] http://www.python-academy.com/courses/dates.html - -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html ------- End of Forwarded Message

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RPython I/O
by Ben Mellor 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

Hi Just wondering, what's the right way to do IO in an RPython program? sys.stdin/sys.stdout don't work, neither does opening files using open(), and raw_input doesn't work. All I can get is print. I can't find anything about this in the docs, and I haven't been able to understand how the PyPy interpreter is doing it from looking at the source code so far. I've been playing around with using the PyPy framework to implement a small interpreter, and this is currently blocking me from translating it. -- Ben Mellor

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Processor simulators
by Jacob Hallén 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

While catching up on todays events on the IRC channel, it struck me that we are getting to a point where using a simulator for the processor would be very useful. Once upon a time I did a lot of development of embedded systems, and using a simulator was a really nice way of timing and debugging your code. You could also do neat tricks if you had the source code of the simulator, recreating rare events and generally break the notion of your hardware being an unchangeable constant. I did a quick Goggle search and found that there are plenty of simulators for the X86 architecture, with several being fully Open Sourced. For instance, at http://www.ptlsim.org/, there is a simulator that can run code natively on the machine and then jump into and out of simulation mode. This allows for precise timing of your selected pieces of code and the possibility of tracing exactly what happens at the machine level, with cache misses and whatnot. I think it might be a useful tool for some of the current backend work for the JIT, and for future optimizations. Jacob

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