Mailman 3 November 2009 - Distutils-SIG

Please help me use PyPI
by Ram Rachum 17 Nov '09

17 Nov '09

Hi all, I'm trying to release my project to PyPI today. I have three problems: (1.) I have 4 different forks for my project for Python versions 2.4, 2.5, 2.6 and 3.1. Should they all be on the same name in PyPI? (2.) I'm trying to upload an MSI. I'm doing `setup.py bdist_msi register upload`. It builds the project and the setup script finishes, but then I get: error: garlicsim-0.1: No such file or directory And no .msi file is uploaded to PyPi. Why? (3.) I tried uploading my 2.5 fork. It asks me to identify, I do, it gives an OK response (which doesn't happen unless the identification is right), but then it claims I didn't identify! Why? [...] removing 'build\bdist.win32\egg' (and everything under it) running register We need to know who you are, so please choose either: 1. use your existing login, 2. register as a new user, 3. have the server generate a new password for you (and email it to you), or 4. quit Your selection [default 1]: 1 Username: coolRR Password: Server response (200): OK running upload Submitting dist\garlicsim-0.1.zip to http://pypi.python.org/pypi Upload failed (401): You must be identified to edit package information removing 'build' (and everything under it) error: garlicsim-0.1: No such file or directory Thanks, Ram.

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Making a tar.gz source distribution
by Ram Rachum 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

I'm trying to make a tar.gz source distribution. I saw in the docs that a tar program is needed. I am on Windows. Where do I get one? Ram.

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Including package data with Distribute
by Ram Rachum 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

Hey guys, Please take a look at my question about including package data: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1734373/including-package-data-with-dist… (I don't care whether you answer here or on StackOverflow.) Ram.

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Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?
by Tarek Ziadé 16 Nov '09

16 Nov '09

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Arc Riley <arcriley(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Having a "Repository-URL", "Repository-Browse-URL" and a >> "Bug-Tracker-URL" field in PyPI would be a lot more usefule then >> comments and ratings. >> > > +1 You mean in the Metadata ? We are currenty working on adding fields in them, for an upcoming 1.2 version (see PEP 345) I am crossposting to distutils-sig so we can discuss this point over there, because I think that would be a great triple of fields to add in 1.2 Tarek

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Deleting build directory
by Ram Rachum 15 Nov '09

15 Nov '09

What's the best way to delete the "build" directory both before and after installation, using Distribute? I want to do it so the user will only need to do "setup.py install", and the build directory will be pre- and post-deleted. Thanks, Ram.

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People want CPAN :-)
by Guido van Rossum 15 Nov '09

15 Nov '09

I just found this comment on my blog. People have told me this in person too, so I believe it is real pain (even if the solution may be elusive and the suggested solutions may not work). But I don't know how to improve the world. Is the work on distutils-sig going to be enough? Or do we need some other kind of work in addition? Do we need more than PyPI? --Guido ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: dalloliogm <noreply-comment(a)blogger.com> Date: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 8:01 AM Subject: [Neopythonic] New comment on Python in the Scientific World. To: gvanrossum(a)gmail.com dalloliogm has left a new comment on your post "Python in the Scientific World": Python is suffering a lot in the scientific word, because it has not a CPAN-like repository. PyPI is fine, but it is still far from the level of CPAN, CRAN, Bioconductor, etc.. Scientists who use programming usually have a lot of different interests and approaches, therefore it is really difficult to write a package that can be useful to everyone. Other programming language like Perl and R have repository-like structure which enable people to download packages easily, and to upload new ones and organize them withouth having to worry about having to integrate them into existing packages. This is what is happening to biopython now: it is a monolitic package that it is supposed to work for any bioinformatic problem; but this is so general that to accomplish that you would need to add a lot of dependencies, to numpy, networkx, suds, any kind of library. However, since easy_install is not as ready yet as the counterparts in other languages, if the biopython developers add too many dependencies, nobody will be able to install it properly, and nobody will use it. Posted by dalloliogm to Neopythonic at November 6, 2009 8:01 AM -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)

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Wiki page for ideas and proposals
by Wolodja Wentland 15 Nov '09

15 Nov '09

Hi all, I have created a Wiki page that gives an overview on the PEPs that are currently drafted and some of the proposals that were mentioned here on the list. You can find it at: http://wiki.python.org/moin/Distutils/DiscussionOverview I would be happy if you could add your own proposals/ideas or comment on those that are already present. -- .''`. Wolodja Wentland <wentland(a)cl.uni-heidelberg.de> : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC

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Improving distutils vs redesigning it (was people want CPAN)
by David Cournapeau 14 Nov '09

14 Nov '09

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Tarek Ziadé <ziade.tarek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > And let's drop the backward compat issues in these discussions, so we > don't burn out > in details. That's the part I don't understand. If backward compatibility is not a concern, why keeping distutils ? If you change the command and Distribution class design, what remains of the original code ? You are changing the API and the implementation (which are quite tangled with each other in distutils case), almost none of the original code would remain. It really feels to me like you are getting the pain of backward compatibility without the gains. What am I missing ? David

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`pkg_resources.require()` doesn’t see wxPython
by cool-RR 14 Nov '09

14 Nov '09

I'm having trouble using Distribute's pkg_resources.require(). I posted a question on StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1728676/pkgresources-require-doesnt-see-… I hope someone here has an answer. Thanks, Ram.

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Re: [Distutils] People want CPAN
by P.J. Eby 14 Nov '09

14 Nov '09

At 03:13 PM 11/11/2009 +0100, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >But you call it with "install" in your example, meaning that is is >called at install time, right ? > >Or it is just that you want to get the "--prefix" value finalized and >computed by the install >command. If it's the later, I guess you will be able to use the >upcoming "sysconfig" module, >that gives you the install schemes, depending on sys.prefix/sys.exec_prefix. The issue is that setup.py can accept multiple commands on the command line, and in principle "build_clib" might be being called as a subcommand of build (and thus of install). So, he needs the *active* --prefix, either from the command line, config file(s), or defaults. Simply having an API to get the defaults won't help this. Really, getting a finalized "install" command object is the only way to do this correctly in distutils at the moment, and the sysconfig API won't change that.

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