Mailman 3 January 2008 - Mailman-coders

[ mailman-Bugs-1875187 ] Cannot deselect Engish
by SourceForge.net 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

Bugs item #1875187, was opened at 2008-01-19 14:54 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jidanni You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1875187&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Cannot deselect Engish Initial Comment: Discovery: cannot turn off English in admin.cgi/.../language, no matter even if another language is the preferred language. Well, then at least don't make English click-offable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: jidanni (jidanni) Date: 2008-01-20 12:10 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1971011 Originator: YES That's nice but for installations like Dreamhost's, where a list administrator has no access to the configuration beyond Mailman's web panel, he has no way to keep users out of the English pages, which he must then customize also along with the ones of the language he already customized. So be sure to stop restricting this restriction. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-01-20 04:38 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO It isn't English you can't turn off. It is the language defined as DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1875187&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1868873 ] deceptive listinfo "to post a message..."
by SourceForge.net 20 Jan '08

20 Jan '08

Bugs item #1868873, was opened at 2008-01-10 16:41 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jimpop You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1868873&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: security/privacy Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: deceptive listinfo "to post a message..." Initial Comment: Allow me to introduce the primary bug of all, the one that is certainly the first one encounters upon first contact with mailman as a mere user. He sees on the listinfo web page: "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..." Which means TO HIM, the innocent victim, that "posting is wide open. What ever you send will get full executive treatment and be sent to all members and the archive forthwith". When in fact it really means "Yes, we say 'to post', but to post is not to receive, necessarily. I.E., depending on policies, your message might 1. go to /dev/null, 2. go to /dev/null with a notice back to you, 3. go into a queue for moderator approval, 4. as 3 but with a notice back to you, 5.... and it all depends on the configuration, which the moderator/administrator has elected not to make public, i.e., one of 1,2,3,4... will happen, and we could tell you here, but we won't. So what happens, is due to the *deceptive* message "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..." the user posts and waits several days not knowing what is happening, while his burning question lies unseen who knows where. If subscription is required to post, than say "subscription is required to post". If you are not willing to mention that subscription is or is not required, in an effort to thwart spammers, then say "subscription may be required to post". Anyway, the software is very aware of just what requirements there are to post, so it should say them there on listinfo, unless the administrator has checked "[x]Obfuscate posting requirements on listinfo page". Whereupon say "subscription may be required to post, but the administrator has chosen not to reveal what they may be." Anyway, in no case continue saying "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..." as it looks like the current message. If the list is really wide open, say "Membership not required to post"... Don't just reply to this bug saying to ask the administrator to edit the HTML files for his site, as the forwarding in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=199195 probably thought. Tell them to edit the HTML if checking the above [x] box is not enough. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Jim Popovitch (jimpop) Date: 2008-01-19 20:05 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=3142 Originator: NO Why not just ask the administrator to edit the HTML *templates* for his site? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: jidanni (jidanni) Date: 2008-01-17 15:43 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1971011 Originator: YES The following statement also is one where the computer knows very well what the configuration is, but is too lazy to check, even if the administrator wanted it to. So add a configuration item for this item: gloss over the facts to fool spammers [] or give the real deal [x]. "Your subscription request has been received, and will soon be acted upon. Depending on the configuration of this mailing list, your subscription request may have to be first confirmed by you via email, or approved by the list moderator. If confirmation is required, you will soon get a confirmation email which contains further instructions." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1868873&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1875187 ] Cannot deselect Engish
by SourceForge.net 19 Jan '08

19 Jan '08

Bugs item #1875187, was opened at 2008-01-18 22:54 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1875187&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Cannot deselect Engish Initial Comment: Discovery: cannot turn off English in admin.cgi/.../language, no matter even if another language is the preferred language. Well, then at least don't make English click-offable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-01-19 12:38 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO It isn't English you can't turn off. It is the language defined as DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1875187&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1874279 ] Mass Subscriptions names
by SourceForge.net 19 Jan '08

19 Jan '08

Bugs item #1874279, was opened at 2008-01-18 09:33 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jidanni You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874279&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 alpha Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Mass Subscriptions names Initial Comment: Today we look at members/add, Mass Subscriptions. Please change "Enter one address per line below..." to "Enter Bob Clodsworth <blob(a)example.com> or just blob(a)example.com, one per line:" Else no one can guess how to get names in. P.S., with site language = English, don't dream of entering and UTF-8 or &# 31309 ; stuff. You'll get an error. ASCII is assumed, dangnabit! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: jidanni (jidanni) Date: 2008-01-19 14:56 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1971011 Originator: YES And even with site language zh_TW, on the mass subscription results page one sees UTF-8 becomes: * 積丹尼 <jidanni(a)jidanni.org> though apparently internally it is still UTF-8 at evidenced on other pages. P.S., the zh_TW 'send me my passwd' email sends raw % mess: 我們歡迎任何問題或建議 ! 請 email 給 %(adminaddr)s. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874279&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1875187 ] Cannot deselect Engish
by SourceForge.net 19 Jan '08

19 Jan '08

Bugs item #1875187, was opened at 2008-01-19 14:54 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1875187&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Cannot deselect Engish Initial Comment: Discovery: cannot turn off English in admin.cgi/.../language, no matter even if another language is the preferred language. Well, then at least don't make English click-offable. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1875187&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1874265 ] gzip step doesn't respect UTF-8
by SourceForge.net 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

Bugs item #1874265, was opened at 2008-01-18 09:11 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jidanni You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874265&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 alpha Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: gzip step doesn't respect UTF-8 Initial Comment: With the site languge set to *English*, UTF-8 Chinese in message *bodies* like 這句 looks great in the archives, except when they are made into .gz's whereupon they become "??" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: jidanni (jidanni) Date: 2008-01-18 11:09 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1971011 Originator: YES Don't believe me, have a look at http://tossug.org/pipermail/hojia/ Also look at the disaster of http://tossug.org/mailman/listinfo/hojia that you force charset of ASCII in the HTTP headers, and the user has not used &# codes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874265&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1867275 ] more exact than List-Archive
by SourceForge.net 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

Bugs item #1867275, was opened at 2008-01-09 07:13 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jidanni You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1867275&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Pipermail Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: more exact than List-Archive Initial Comment: Gentlemen, $ w3m -dump http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/3329… |grep Archive List-Archive: <http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l> Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/33…> This means: mailman could, if it tried harder, put a header into the message with the exact URL of where it archived the message at, instead of just its current "go look thru the heap, Holmes" Archived-At header. Instead users will quote a 3rd party (gmane.org here), which might go belly up at any time, when referring to the article. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: jidanni (jidanni) Date: 2008-01-18 10:52 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1971011 Originator: YES I see http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Stable+URLs you are aware of the issue. Good. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1867275&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1874279 ] Mass Subscriptions names
by SourceForge.net 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

Bugs item #1874279, was opened at 2008-01-18 09:33 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874279&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 alpha Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Mass Subscriptions names Initial Comment: Today we look at members/add, Mass Subscriptions. Please change "Enter one address per line below..." to "Enter Bob Clodsworth <blob(a)example.com> or just blob(a)example.com, one per line:" Else no one can guess how to get names in. P.S., with site language = English, don't dream of entering and UTF-8 or &# 31309 ; stuff. You'll get an error. ASCII is assumed, dangnabit! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874279&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1874265 ] gzip step doesn't respect UTF-8
by SourceForge.net 18 Jan '08

18 Jan '08

Bugs item #1874265, was opened at 2008-01-18 09:11 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874265&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 alpha Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: gzip step doesn't respect UTF-8 Initial Comment: With the site languge set to *English*, UTF-8 Chinese in message *bodies* like 這句 looks great in the archives, except when they are made into .gz's whereupon they become "??" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1874265&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1868873 ] deceptive listinfo "to post a message..."
by SourceForge.net 17 Jan '08

17 Jan '08

Bugs item #1868873, was opened at 2008-01-11 05:41 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jidanni You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1868873&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: security/privacy Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: deceptive listinfo "to post a message..." Initial Comment: Allow me to introduce the primary bug of all, the one that is certainly the first one encounters upon first contact with mailman as a mere user. He sees on the listinfo web page: "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..." Which means TO HIM, the innocent victim, that "posting is wide open. What ever you send will get full executive treatment and be sent to all members and the archive forthwith". When in fact it really means "Yes, we say 'to post', but to post is not to receive, necessarily. I.E., depending on policies, your message might 1. go to /dev/null, 2. go to /dev/null with a notice back to you, 3. go into a queue for moderator approval, 4. as 3 but with a notice back to you, 5.... and it all depends on the configuration, which the moderator/administrator has elected not to make public, i.e., one of 1,2,3,4... will happen, and we could tell you here, but we won't. So what happens, is due to the *deceptive* message "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..." the user posts and waits several days not knowing what is happening, while his burning question lies unseen who knows where. If subscription is required to post, than say "subscription is required to post". If you are not willing to mention that subscription is or is not required, in an effort to thwart spammers, then say "subscription may be required to post". Anyway, the software is very aware of just what requirements there are to post, so it should say them there on listinfo, unless the administrator has checked "[x]Obfuscate posting requirements on listinfo page". Whereupon say "subscription may be required to post, but the administrator has chosen not to reveal what they may be." Anyway, in no case continue saying "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..." as it looks like the current message. If the list is really wide open, say "Membership not required to post"... Don't just reply to this bug saying to ask the administrator to edit the HTML files for his site, as the forwarding in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=199195 probably thought. Tell them to edit the HTML if checking the above [x] box is not enough. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: jidanni (jidanni) Date: 2008-01-18 04:43 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1971011 Originator: YES The following statement also is one where the computer knows very well what the configuration is, but is too lazy to check, even if the administrator wanted it to. So add a configuration item for this item: gloss over the facts to fool spammers [] or give the real deal [x]. "Your subscription request has been received, and will soon be acted upon. Depending on the configuration of this mailing list, your subscription request may have to be first confirmed by you via email, or approved by the list moderator. If confirmation is required, you will soon get a confirmation email which contains further instructions." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1868873&group_…

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