Mailman 3 September 2020 - Distutils-SIG

Archive this list & redirect conversation elsewhere?
by Pradyun Gedam May 9, 2021

May 9, 2021

TL;DR: OK to archive this mailing list? Reply by Aug 30th. Below: Context, Proposal, Reasoning, and timeline. *Context*: For multiple years now, we've been advising users to use setuptools and to move away from using distutils. There has been a long standing plan [^1] to vendor distutils into setuptools to allow it to evolve independently of the Python standard library and to allow for removal of distutils from the Python standard library. Recently, setuptools adopted the distutils [^2] which, as far as I can tell, starts the long process of removing distutils from the Python standard library. PEP 517 [^3] also removed the special status of distutils/setuptools as the only pipeline that can be used for generating distributions for Python projects. For some time now, "distutils" has not been a "primary" tool in the broader Python Packaging ecosystem, with setuptools being an overall superior tool that also has a good interoperability story with the other Python packaging tooling. This is acknowledged in the description of this mailing list as: > Now, it's better described as the "packaging interoperability SIG", > where issues that cut across different parts of the Python packaging > ecosystem get discussed and resolved. However, this mailing list is no longer serving this stated role either, with the Packaging category on discuss.python.org becoming the primary location for packaging tool interoperability discussions. Over the last year, the Packaging category on discuss.python.org had 841 active topics, with only 40 topics with 3 or fewer responses. [^5] In the last 100 days, the Packaging category on discuss.python.org has had 91 active topics. More than 10 PEPs have been discussed in the Packaging category on discuss.python.org in the last 100 days. Over the last year, distutils-sig had ~109 active threads, with (based on a quick skim) most having 3 or fewer responses/posters. [^4] In the last 100 days, distutils-sig has had 32 active threads (at least 7 of these have the same subject as another thread with Re:/Fwd: added). There has been only 1 PEP-related feedback discussion on distutils-sig in the last year. Most of the other threads are user support requests or announcements. *Proposal*: I suggest that, one month from now, we stop posting to this list (distutils-sig(a)python.org) and archive it. *Reasoning*: I think we do not use this mailing list for its dedicated purpose, and it does not serve any secondary function that isn't better served by a different communication channel already. (1) this mailing list is no longer the primary location for interoperability discussions (2) we have better channels for user support requests (such as issue trackers of various projects, packaging-problems etc.) (3) we have other channels for making announcements (such as the pypi-announce mailing list, the PyPA twitter account, discuss.python.org etc.) *Timeline*: Here's what I suggest, and what I will carry out if there is no objection. In one month, on August 30th, I would verify that no one has argued here for why this mailing list should not be closed/archived. Or, even if a few people have objected to closing the list, I would check for rough consensus, especially of people who are doing SOMETHING productive having to do with Python Packaging (such as maintainers of Python packages, maintainers of Python Packaging tooling, folks running key infrastructure, etc.). Then, I would request the list administrators to post a final message to this list (marking its close and suggesting that people use discuss.python.org instead) and, to archive this mailing list. This would leave archives available at their current URLs, so links, browsing and search would work. And finally, I would look through relevant documentation within PyPA repositories to see what needs updating (READMEs and so on pointing to the old list), and submit pull requests. I appreciate the work folks here have done to carry forward Python packaging over the past 21 years of this mailing list. I don't mean to diminish that or to insult anyone here. I want to help us out, and I think closing this list will help focus our energy better. But I am open to hearing that I am wrong. Realizing-that-distutils-sig-is-older-than-me-ly, Pradyun Gedam [^1]: https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/roadmap/#vendor-distutils-into-setuptools [^2]: https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/pull/2143 [^3]: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0517/ [^4]: https://mail.python.org/archives/list/distutils-sig@python.org/latest?count… [^5]: https://discuss.python.org/c/packaging/14/l/top/yearly?order=posts

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Announcement: pip 20.2 release!
by Pradyun Gedam Oct. 23, 2020

Oct. 23, 2020

On behalf of the PyPA, I am pleased to announce that we have just released pip 20.2, a new version of pip. You can install it by running python -m pip install --upgrade pip. The highlights for this release are: - The beta of the next-generation dependency resolver is available - Faster installations from wheel files - Improved handling of wheels containing non-ASCII file contents - Faster pip list using parallelized network operations - Installed packages now contain metadata about whether they were directly requested by the user (PEP 376’s REQUESTED file) The new dependency resolver is *off by default* because it is *not yet ready for everyday use*. The new dependency resolver is significantly stricter and more consistent when it receives incompatible instructions, and reduces support for certain kinds of constraints files, so some workarounds and workflows may break. Please test it with the --use-feature=2020-resolver flag. Please see our guide on how to test and migrate, and how to report issues <https://pip.pypa.io/en/latest/user_guide/#changes-to-the-pip-dependency-res…>. We are preparing to change the default dependency resolution behavior and make the new resolver the default in pip 20.3 (in October 2020). This release also partially optimizes pip’s network usage during installation (as part of a Google Summer of Code project by McSinyx <https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/#5428041779511296>). Please test it with pip install --use-feature=fast-deps ... and report bugs to the issue tracker <https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/new?template=bug-report.md>. This functionality is *still experimental* and *not ready for everyday use*. You can find more details (including deprecations and removals) in the changelog <https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/news/>. As with all pip releases, a significant amount of the work was contributed by pip’s user community. Huge thanks to all who have contributed, whether through code, documentation, issue reports and/or discussion. Your help keeps pip improving, and is hugely appreciated. Specific thanks go to Mozilla (through its Mozilla Open Source Support <https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/moss/> Awards) and to the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative <https://chanzuckerberg.com/eoss/> DAF, an advised fund of Silicon Valley Community Foundation, for their funding that enabled substantial work on the new resolver.

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Pip update fails
by brenners＠bezeqint.net Sept. 29, 2020

Sept. 29, 2020

Hello, When I tried to install a package using pip, it informed me that there is a new version available. Per the recommendation, I tried to update pip, but the update failed. The following is the last few lines of the failure messages: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv File "C:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python38\site-packages\pip\_vendor\distlib\scripts.py", line 386, in _get_launcher raise ValueError(msg) ValueError: Unable to find resource t64.exe in package pip._vendor.distlib WARNING: You are using pip version 20.2.2; however, version 20.2.3 is available. You should consider upgrading via the 'C:\Program Files\Python38\python.exe -m pip install --upgrade pip' command. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I can of course supply the full error traceback, if needed, not just these last few lines. The file: c:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming\Python\Python38\site-packages\pip\_vendor\distlib\t64.exe DOES exist. I just installed the latest python version 3.8.6 – I would have thought it would already include the latest version of pip… Any help resolving this failure will be much appreciated.

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by Paul Moore Sept. 21, 2020

Sept. 21, 2020

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pip install error
by Nourbakhsh Soltani, Zahrasadat Sept. 17, 2020

Sept. 17, 2020

Helli I have problem upgrading pip. And afterward I cant even install any package in my interpreter. Here is the error Can you help me: Error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Program Files\JetBrains\PyCharm Community Edition 2019.2\helpers\packaging_tool.py", line 73, in run_pip runpy.run_module(module_name, run_name='__main__', alter_sys=True) File "C:\Users\ZSO\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python37\lib\runpy.py", line 205, in run_module return _run_module_code(code, init_globals, run_name, mod_spec) File "C:\Users\ZSO\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python37\lib\runpy.py", line 96, in _run_module_code mod_name, mod_spec, pkg_name, script_name) File "C:\Users\ZSO\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python37\lib\runpy.py", line 85, in _run_code exec(code, run_globals) File "C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\__main__.py", line 19, in <module> sys.exit(_main()) File "C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\_internal\cli\main.py", line 73, in main command = create_command(cmd_name, isolated=("--isolated" in cmd_args)) File "C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\_internal\commands\__init__.py", line 96, in create_command module = importlib.import_module(module_path) File "C:\Users\ZSO\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python37\lib\importlib\__init__.py", line 127, in import_module return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level) File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1006, in _gcd_import File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 983, in _find_and_load File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 967, in _find_and_load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 677, in _load_unlocked File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 728, in exec_module File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed File "C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\_internal\commands\install.py", line 24, in <module> from pip._internal.cli.req_command import RequirementCommand File "C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\_internal\cli\req_command.py", line 20, in <module> from pip._internal.operations.prepare import RequirementPreparer File "C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\_internal\operations\prepare.py", line 16, in <module> from pip._internal.distributions import ( File "C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\_internal\distributions\__init__.py", line 1, in <module> from pip._internal.distributions.source import SourceDistribution ImportError: cannot import name 'SourceDistribution' from 'pip._internal.distributions.source' (C:\Users\ZSO\PycharmProjects\111\venv\lib\site-packages\pip\_internal\distributions\source\__init__.py) Best regards Zahra

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Sept. 14, 2020

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