Mailman 3 December 2004 - Twisted

[Twisted-Python] python.plugin
by Kenny Chamber 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

I extended t.py.p to use deferreds. The code is somewhat hideous and about three times as slow, but at least it's asynchronous. There's a much more elegant way to do it using generators. Hopefully, at some point in the future Python 2.2 will be the minimum supported version. ----------------------- Kenny Chamber http://gem-hs.org/contact.html

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[Twisted-Python] Question regarding http post/put
by Gustavo Dagostin da Silva 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

I'm creating a server which serves xml-rpc and, by demand, loads a HTTP server which is intended to upload (big) data from client to server. How do I limit the request types accepted by the http server to the post/put, not permitting get and other requests ? Thanks in advance, Gustavo

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[Twisted-Python] Weekly Bug Summary
by James Y Knight 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Bug summary ______________________ Since 2004-12-03 19:45:55.600000: Bugs opened: 15 Bugs closed: 17 Total open bugs: 312 (-2) Critical: 0 (-1) Urgent: 14 (-1) Bug: 118 (-2) Feature: 119 (+3) Wish: 61 (-1) New / Reopened Bugs ______________________ ==== Urgent ==== [CORE] Race condition in streaming producers means producer may never be unpaused (3 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue811 opened by itamarst [RELEASE MANAGEMENT] Make extension building work wrt zpkg (yesterday) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue818 opened by radix ==== Bug ==== issue issue (yesterday) CLOSED http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue820 opened by radeex confirming roundup registration via email doesn't work (2 days ago) CLOSED http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue817 opened by mwh [WEB] Multiple consecutive / in URLs gives 404 errors (yesterday) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue819 opened by spiv [CORE] win32select fails with too many open file descriptiors (2 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue816 opened by ndecker testCyclicAliases in t.mail.test_mail is weird (3 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue810 opened by marienz t.runner.identd should hand over a blocking socket (2 days ago) CLOSED http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue814 opened by marienz Find solution to twisted download hosting other than SF web space (2 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue813 opened by radix Invalid "Index" links at the bottom of document pages. (2 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue812 opened by tirkal [CORE, TRIAL] Undesirable ValueError exception masking by namedAny() (5 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue808 opened by exarkun ==== Feature ==== [TWISTD] Make twistd a little more scripting friendly (12 hours ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue823 opened by spiv t.internet.process.Process should check for valid arguments (2 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue815 opened by marienz ==== Wish ==== testing a *really* unregistered user (yesterday) CLOSED http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue822 opened by radix1 testing an unregistered user (yesterday) CLOSED http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue821 opened by test Bugs Closed ______________________ ==== Urgent ==== make epydoc stop ignoring zope interfaces (2 weeks ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue794 opened by radix, closed by radix [CORE] test_trial fails on windows (1 month ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue757 opened by itamarst, closed by radix [TRIAL] Unhandled exception in trial at result reporting time (1 week ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue800 opened by exarkun, closed by radix [RELEASE MANAGEMENT] setup.py not installing docs, manpages (17 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue51 opened by radix, closed by radix [PB, TRIAL] buggy PB/trial interactions (2 weeks ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue788 opened by teratorn, closed by teratorn ==== Bug ==== issue issue (yesterday) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue820 opened by radeex, closed by jknight [RELEASE MANAGEMENT] python-twisted_1.2.0-1woody_all.deb is uninstallable (8 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue582 opened by acapnotic, closed by radix [MAIL] IMAP4 improperly generates multipart BODYSTRUCTURE responses (16 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue195 opened by exarkun, closed by radix [WEBSITE] Roundup is broken - Users are logged out when creating new issues (11 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue476 opened by exarkun, closed by radix confirming roundup registration via email doesn't work (2 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue817 opened by mwh, closed by radix t.runner.identd should hand over a blocking socket (2 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue814 opened by marienz, closed by spiv intermittent freebsd test_threads failure (14 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue341 opened by warner, closed by glyph [TRIAL] 'trial --until-failure twisted.abc' spews forever (1 week ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue804 opened by exarkun, closed by glyph [MAIL] intermittent IMAP failure (13 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue369 opened by warner, closed by glyph ==== Wish ==== [RELEASE MANAGEMENT] Improvements to the automated release process (17 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue56 opened by radix, closed by radix testing a *really* unregistered user (yesterday) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue822 opened by radix1, closed by radix testing an unregistered user (yesterday) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue821 opened by test, closed by radix

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[Twisted-Python] nevow newbie: No module named examples.childrenhtml
by Mohamed Lrhazi 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Hello all, How do you run the exampleBrowser? (#:/var/www/web_roots/nevow/nevow-0.3/examples/exampleBrowser)- twistd -y examples.tac Failed to load application: No module named examples.childrenhtml (#:/var/www/web_roots/nevow/nevow-0.3/examples/exampleBrowser)- find . . ./index.css ./index.html ./source.html ./examples ./examples/childrenhtml ./examples/childrenhtml/childrenhtml.py ./examples/childrenhtml/childrenhtml_ChildOfChildPage.html ./examples/childrenhtml/childrenhtml_ChildPage.html ./examples/childrenhtml/childrenhtml_RootPage.html ./examples/childrenhtml/description.html ./examples/childrenhtml/__init__.py ./examples/childrenhtml/childrenhtml.pyc ./examples/__init__.py ./examples/tablehtml ./examples/tablehtml/tablehtml.html ./examples/tablehtml/tablehtml.py ./examples/tablehtml/__init__.py ./python.css ./examples.tac ./twistd.log

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[Twisted-Python] Roundup email interface
by Christopher Armstrong 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Works again, after many months of not working. The original reason I disabled it was that unknown users could send it email (spam) and it would create new issues. Now it only allows members to post issues, afaict. Anyway, if you want to use the roundup email interface now, the email address is twisted.roundup(a)twistedmatrix.com The documentation for the email interface is at http://roundup.sourceforge.net/doc-0.7/user_guide.html#e-mail-gateway -- Twisted | Christopher Armstrong: International Man of Twistery Radix | Release Manager, Twisted Project ---------+ http://radix.twistedmatrix.com

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[Twisted-Python] M2Crypto+Twisted, part 2
by Heikki Toivonen 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

A while back I integrated M2Crypto into Twisted, but the architecture was not deemed good then (it was adding more of the SSL cruft in tcp.py etc.). James Knight pointed me to TLS Lite, which had achieved similar functionality by using ProtocolWrapper and WrappingFactory and all the code was outside of Twisted. (Thanks James!) I've now got an implementation of M2Crypto + Twisted integration using the TLS Lite approach - no changes in Twisted required. (Client only for now and not yet fully cleaned up, but all the important pieces should be there.) However, I've run into some problems and I am not sure if they are bugs in Twisted or if I am using these interfaces wrong. Maybe you can help. The most interesting piece of the code is my TLSProtocolWrapper that inherits from ProtocolWrapper. See http://lxr.osafoundation.org/source/internal/m2crypto/M2Crypto/SSL/TwistedP… Now, this seems to works perfectly with the echoclient samples when the SSL connection has no errors. When there is an error in the SSL connection, and I call connectionLost(), I end up with a traceback that feels like it might be a Twisted bug. Or if I am not allowed to call that, how do I signal that I want to break the connection? Here's the traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "twisted_ssl/real.py", line 71, in main reactor.run() File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\intern et\default.py", line 123, in run self.mainLoop() File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\intern et\default.py", line 134, in mainLoop self.doIteration(t) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\intern et\default.py", line 529, in doSelect _logrun(selectable, _drdw, selectable, method, dict) --- <exception caught here> --- File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\python \log.py", line 65, in callWithLogger return callWithContext({"system": lp}, func, *args, **kw) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\python \log.py", line 52, in callWithContext return context.call({ILogContext: newCtx}, func, *args, **kw) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\python \context.py", line 43, in callWithContext return func(*args,**kw) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\intern et\default.py", line 552, in _doReadOrWrite selectable.connectionLost(f) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\intern et\tcp.py", line 452, in connectionLost Connection.connectionLost(self, reason) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\intern et\tcp.py", line 295, in connectionLost protocol.connectionLost(reason) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\M2Crypto\SSL\T wistedProtocolWrapper.py", line 207, in connectionLost ProtocolWrapper.connectionLost(self, reason) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\protoc ols\policies.py", line 88, in connectionLost self.factory.unregisterProtocol(self) File "c:\builds\chandler\chandler\release\bin\lib\site-packages\twisted\protoc ols\policies.py", line 127, in unregisterProtocol del self.protocols[p] exceptions.KeyError: <twisted.internet.tcp.Client to ('www.verisign.com', 443) a t 10fa800> When I try to hook this up into an IMAP4 client, it seems like my wrapper is getting bypassed somewhere. With debug on, I see: MyProtocolWrapper.__init__ MyProtocolWrapper.makeConnection MyProtocolWrapper.connectionMade then nothing, until the connection finally times out. I haven't looked much into this one yet. Any guesses as to where I should be looking at? Or is it not possible to use the ProtocolWrapper here? I can upload full source packages as well if anyone needs them. -- Heikki Toivonen

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[Twisted-Python] Questions about class KeyFactory.
by Thomas Kristensen 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Hi, I my a bit afraid im asking a stupid question here, I'll do it anyways :) (from twisted/enterprise/row.py) class KeyFactory: ... warnings.warn("This is deprecated. Use the underlying database to generate keys, or just roll your own.", DeprecationWarning) ... As the warnings says this class is deprecated. Use the underlying database. I was wondering if anybody have some example code for this. Im using a PgDB. Here's my rowObject: class DummyRow(row.RowObject): rowColumns = [ ("testId", "int"), ("testName","varchar"), ("testData","varchar") ] rowKeyColumns = [("testId","int")] rowTableName = "dummytable" And my sql code: CREATE TABLE dummytable ( testId SERIAL PRIMARY KEY, testName varchar(64), testData varchar ); So when using a sequencer to generate an unique key for testId, I dont need to supply testId in my insert sql statement. But twisted complains if i dont use the assignKeyAttr function, PG complains if I use it with a value thats already used (ofcourse). My insert code b = DummyRow() b.assignKeyAttr("testId", 3) b.testName = "myTestName" b.testData = "My test data string" manager.insertRow(b).addCallback(onInsert) Again if was wondering if somebody had some sample code to help me solve my problem or a point in the right direction. Thanks in advance, --Thomas

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[Twisted-Python] Updating from Ancient Twisted to Current Twisted
by Bruce Mitchener 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Hello everyone, I've got an app that runs on Twisted 1.0.7rc1 and I'd like to get it running on something more current. Should I be looking at 1.3.0 or is the trunk getting close to a 2.0 release? How stable is the trunk? One of the main fixes that I'm interested in is some of the performance improvements to the data buffering as a result of some issues that I had last year. Also, what is the recommended reactor these days for a system that receives a good bit of load, both from the external world and from within a cluster of Twisted-using systems that communicate over PB? (We use Linux.) Have there been any major API changes that would break code, especially stuff that used PB? (Does cBanana still work? It apparently isn't automatically used any longer...) Long ago, I had some woven-using code, but then that was deprecated in favor of nevow. What's the current recommendation in this area? On the other hand, it looks like there are lots of cool additions to Twisted, like the waitForDeferred stuff, that would greatly simplify some of our code. I didn't see any obvious place to look for most of this info and the changelog isn't really the right level of granularity, so any help would be much appreciated. - Bruce

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[Twisted-Python] Using Windows active directory for Single Sign-on
by Michael Schneider 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Hello All, I am trying to leverage Windows Active Directory (Kerberos based) on a client, for a single sign on. Then running a proccess as that users on a twisted daemon. Is there some example code for - obtaining initial certificate - verifying certificate on twisted - executing process as user under twisted Thank you very much, Mike

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[Twisted-Python] An apology to the community (outstanding trial bugs)
by Jonathan Simms 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Hi everyone, I know that there are several trial issues outstanding and that they're holding up the 2.0 release. I recently got a job working in Manhattan, and am still adjusting to the commute and the tasks that are assigned to me, so I haven't had the attention or energy to devote to twisted. On a lighter note (and adding to the distraction) I also got engaged this weekend. :-) I'm not quite sure when I'll have time to clear these issues up. I will try to work on them during the week and hopefully have them resolved by next week sometime. I am terribly sorry to have put everyone in this position. -Jonathan

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[Twisted-Python] concurrent terminals and telnet
by Tony Pryor 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

hello, has anyone tried using twisted python to spawn multiple concurrent telnet client consoles? i've played around with spawning concurrent telnet consoles in perl and feel like i'm getting snared by idiosyncracy. otoh i may just be doing something stupid. tony

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[Twisted-Python] Twisted's roundup instance
by Christopher Armstrong 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

I just upgraded it to 0.7.9 from 0.6.6 (!), changed it from the bsddb backend to the sqlite backend, and made it run a persistent server that's proxied through twistedmatrix.com's twisted.web. All this at the advice I got from Richard Jones (roundup author) at OSDC.com.au. The official URL for the Twisted roundup is now "http://twistedmatrix.com/bugs/". This URL has always existed as a convenience, but the old canonical URL (http://twistedmatrix.com/users/roundup.twistd/) is now just a redirect to the nice new terse one. Note that "http://twistedmatrix.com/bugs" (i.e., the same URL without a trailing slash) is a bit off at the moment -- I'll try to figure out a way to get that to not blow up soon. I also got rid of "Critical" -- now the highest issue type is "Urgent", which was all that was documented. I was sick of people marking their pet bugs as "Critical" when it didn't actually mean anything. Hopefully I'll be getting around to fixing up some other issues we've had with our tracker, later on. In the meantime, I'll be going actually _using_ roundup and trying to mark some of those Urgent bugs as resolved. :-) Thanks, Richard, for chatting with me about Roundup at OSDC. Now everyone should be a little happier ;-) -- Twisted | Christopher Armstrong: International Man of Twistery Radix | Release Manager, Twisted Project ---------+ http://radix.twistedmatrix.com

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[Twisted-Python] Installation problems
by Steve Atkins 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

I've hit some problems installing twisted 1.3.0 on OS X / python 2.4. The biggie is that I can't find any trace of installation instructions (pre-requisites, installation instructions) anywhere. The tarball README refers to INSTALL, and INSTALL doesn't exist. I attempted a simple "python setup.py build" and the build bombs out after a while with: running build_scripts error: file 'bin/manhole' does not exist So... help a newbie out. What am I doing wrong? Cheers, Steve

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[Twisted-Python] Newbie Alert ! Installation problems.
by Chris Lyon 05 Dec '04

05 Dec '04

I've written an app using medusa but know feel the wind is blowing in a twisted way. But I'm having trouble with installation. Windows .... everything downloads and runs nicely. However the finger demo finger06.py & finger07.py don't find the user name in the dict because the username is returned with /W appended on the front. Is this some strange characteristic of the windows finger client or something I havn't discovered yet? Linux:= neither the gz or the bz2 uncompress successfully. both failing with a complaint from Ark . .. a not very helpful .. an error occured whilst extracting the file. Other files have worked successfully. Things are extracted but upon running python setup.py install I getthe rather cryptic error: file 'bin/manhole' does not exist So I'm a little bit stumped. Anyone any idea about which aspect of my personnal inabilities I'm demonstrating this time?

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[Twisted-Python] Weekly Bug Summary
by James Y Knight 03 Dec '04

03 Dec '04

Bug summary ______________________ Since 2004-11-29 18:01:56.910000: Bugs opened: 2 Bugs closed: 3 Total open bugs: 314 (-1) Critical: 1 (+0) Urgent: 15 (-2) Bug: 120 (+0) Feature: 116 (+1) Wish: 62 (+0) New / Reopened Bugs ______________________ ==== Urgent ==== Catch and log errors in half-close protocol callback codepaths (yesterday) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue807 opened by itamarst ==== Feature ==== [MAIL] Proposed patch to allow smtp.sendmail() to send mail to non-standard ports (2 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue806 opened by bostik Bugs Closed ______________________ ==== Urgent ==== [CORE] IOCP reactor leaks memory (4 months ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue655 opened by naz, closed by PenguinOfDoom [CONCH] Conch client possibly not working (2 weeks ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue786 opened by jknight, closed by jknight [TRIAL] trial inconsistently reporting ERROR's (5 days ago) http://www.twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue796 opened by teratorn, closed by jknight

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[Twisted-Python] a byte message frame in twisted
by Hoxide Ma 02 Dec '04

02 Dec '04

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[Twisted-Python] Controlling twisted logging
by Norm Petterson 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hello, Having just spent some time trying to "turn off" twisted logging via log.discardLogs() and/or log.startLogging(log.NullFile()) in a twisted app that initially logs to an actual file, it seems that log.startLogging(log.NullFile()) only works as expected if no previous startLogging call using a valid file object has been made. Otherwise, messages continue to be logged. Is this observation correct, or am I overlooking some way to enable logging to a logfile and subsequently disable it? In my above experiments, log.discardLogs() seemed to have no effect either once valid file logging had been initiated with log.startLogging. Win2K, Python 2.3.3, Twisted 1.3.0 Thanks for any info, Norm Petterson

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[Twisted-Python] Remarks about the TAP to NT service tools (moonfallen sandbox)
by Patrick Mézard 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Hello, I am trying to bundle a Twisted server based on a .TAC file into an NT service. I finally succeeded with the distutils extension available in moonfallen sandbox, here are the problems I met while doing it: 1- It is said in the readme.txt that win32all is required for the extension. It might be a bit misleading because the ActivePython version I use has it, but failed to generate the distutils package. What is actually needed is a win32all package version suitable for py2exe. And for the py2exe 0.5.4 I use, it means overwriting win32all with the build 206 for instance. 2- The readme says: "You can also use all the setup options that py2exe allows, such as includes and data_files.". I spend some times figuring why the 'typelibs' options I was passing were not taken into account. Again, this is really a distutils issue, but I guess there are others distutils newbies like me around. I was passing the 'typelibs' option to 'py2exe' as said in py2exe wiki, instead of 'twistedservice'. #------- from distutils.core import setup import ntsvc setup( appconfig='my.tac', options = { "twistedservice": {\ "typelibs": [('{F5078F18-C551-11D3-89B9-0000F81FE221}', 0, 4, 0)]} }) #------- works as expected. I am aware the extension is experimental and unsupported but adding a line or two about the pitfalls above (which are purely distutils/py2exe related) into the readme may be useful for newcomers. Besides, I actually need to specify the user account the service will use. I will send you patches if I managed to implement this, but I guess I need to be a bit more knowledgeable about the distutils and win32all service wrapper frameworks. Thank you for the extension anyway, it's definitely useful and usable. Patrick Mézard

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[Twisted-Python] Simple multiplex-relayer with twisted.protocols.smtp?
by bostik＠stinghorn.com 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Good day, hackers. I'm trying to implement a rather simple, localhost-bound mail relay with Twisted. The setup is follows: Internet --- MTA -> multiplexer (*) -> parallel filters -> MTA -> dest. Multiplexer marked with (*) is my doing. Filters are independent systems which accept mail according to destination domain and do their magic according to domain-wide settings. Different domains can have completely separate configs and even backends. I have read and tried to use existing sample from http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2003-October/005885.html and the surrounding thread, but unfortunately have not been so far able to get the system working. Basically the system should be rather trivial: accept everything, regardless of sender or recipient (frontal MTA has already bounced incorrect mails). Check recipient and forward to matching filter set. Use smtp.ESMTP for inbound, smtp.SMTPClient for outbound. However, the code snippet below freaks out. It now accepts unconditionally both sender and recipient but issuing DATA causes an immediate stacktrace with the following last error: File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/twisted/protocols/smtp.py", line 625, in do_DATA assert self.delivery exceptions.AssertionError: Tracing the problem, it is apparent that there is no delivery method in use and incidentally, this was apparently the bugging reason in the original (a year old now) problem. Call me stupid but I couldn't fix this by following the example and responses. Version of Twisted in use: 1.3, as packaged for Debian. (In time we'll get 2.0 as well.) Any help will be appreaciated. The leap from very simple Finger examples to smtp parts is rather long and steep... Code: [--snip--] #!/usr/bin/python from twisted.internet import reactor, protocol, defer from twisted.protocols import smtp from twisted.python import log import sys class RelayUtility: """Utility class for holding runtime values""" def __init__(self): self.maxconns = 20 self.active = 0 class RelayMessage(smtp.IMessage): def __init__(self): smtp.IMessage.__init__(self) self.msg = [] class RelayProtocol(smtp.ESMTP): """Relayer; sucks the mail in""" def __init__(self): self.util = util # Normal operations smtp.ESMTP.__init__(self) self.host = "nowhere.dot.invalid" def connectionLost(self, reason): self.util.active -= 1 def connectionMade(self): # The easiest way. Increments upon connection, decrements # upon disconnection; In case of full queue, just kick the client self.util.active += 1 if (self.util.active <= self.util.maxconns): smtp.ESMTP.connectionMade(self) else: self.sendCode(430, "Queue full. Try again later.") self.transport.loseConnection() # This can't be right def validateFrom(self, helo, origin): return smtp.Address(origin, None) # This is certainly not right, DATA barks def validateTo(self, user): return RelayMessage class RelayFactory(smtp.SMTPFactory): protocol = RelayProtocol util = RelayUtility() log.startLogging(sys.stdout) reactor.listenTCP(10025, RelayFactory()) reactor.run() [--snap--] -- Mika Boström \-/ "World peace will be achieved Bostik(a)stinghorn.com X when the last man has killed Software slave /-\ the second-to-last." -anon?

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