Mailman 3 October 2007 - Python-Dev

Summary of Tracker Issues
by Tracker Oct. 31, 2007

Oct. 31, 2007

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (10/24/07 - 10/31/07) Tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 1320 open (+25) / 11530 closed (+20) / 12850 total (+45) Open issues with patches: 418 Average duration of open issues: 681 days. Median duration of open issues: 773 days. Open Issues Breakdown open 1316 (+25) pending 4 ( +0) Issues Created Or Reopened (45) _______________________________ … [View More]

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Windows amd64 warnings
by Neal Norwitz Oct. 31, 2007

Oct. 31, 2007

There are many warnings from the trunk (and 2.5) builds on Win64. I suspect quite a few of these are real problems. Win64 is the most unusual platform wrt 64-bits due to long being 32-bit. If we need 64-bits, we need to use Py_ssize_t. IIRC, we've had some bug reports for Win64. I know I've fixed some problems found in py3k. It would be great if someone could create a patch to fix the warnings. The link below shows the warnings from a recent checkin. http://python.org/dev/buildbot/all/amd64%20XP%20trunk/builds/297/step-compi… n

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Summary of Tracker Issues
by Tracker Oct. 30, 2007

Oct. 30, 2007

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (10/23/07 - 10/30/07) Tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 1321 open (+28) / 11524 closed (+19) / 12845 total (+47) Open issues with patches: 420 Average duration of open issues: 679 days. Median duration of open issues: 772 days. Open Issues Breakdown open 1317 (+28) pending 4 ( +0) Issues Created Or Reopened (48) _______________________________ … [View More]

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Overflow on enumerate() and itertools.count()
by Raymond Hettinger Oct. 29, 2007

Oct. 29, 2007

For Py2.6, I fixed a long standing irritant where the count raised an OverflowError when it reached LONG_MAX. If you guys agree that is a bug fix, I'll backport it to Py2.5. Raymond

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resurrected modindex
by skip＠pobox.com Oct. 27, 2007

Oct. 27, 2007

A long time ago I wrote a redirector to note and display the most frequently requested modules from the library reference manual's global module index. When Georg Brandl did his massive rewrite of the Python manuals that broke. I finally took the time this evening to resurrect that function. The result is here: http://www.webfast.com/modindex/ I reset all the counters and seeded the cache with a few modules. Click around in the index a few times then reload the above page. You'll get the idea. Skip

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Deadlock by a second import in a thread
by Facundo Batista Oct. 26, 2007

Oct. 26, 2007

Hi! I was looking to this bug: http://bugs.python.org/issue1255 It basically creates a deadlock in Python by doing the following: - aa.py imports bb.py - bb.py imports time and generates a thread - the thread uses time.strptime The deadlock is because the strptime function imports another module, line 517 of timemodule.c: PyObject *strptime_module = PyImport_ImportModule("_strptime"); This situation is well known, found a lot of references to this import-thread-import problem in … [View More]

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Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand
by michael macdonald Oct. 26, 2007

Oct. 26, 2007

I come from a corporate IT background working as a drone in large businesses, starting about 30 years ago (argh!). I come from an IBM mainframe background, but with constant exposure and interfaces with other platforms, and writing code with a variety of languages and scripting languages throughout my career. I recently completed a very long and painful transition to becoming at least a part time Java developer. For the past several years I have had a background conversation with myself on … [View More]the topic of the Perfect Programming Language; what would it look like/feel like. Then I stumbled on Python, and I am totally hooked. I gather this experience is similar to others who are now Python advocates, who are using Python for their personal projects, etc. In the short term, though, for the corporate world, it'll probably be an uphill battle to have major projects developed in Python (or even Jython, which would be the logical choice for a transition out of j2ee to the lamp world). There is some amount of resistance to open source software. The same resistance to linux was overcome by 'respectable' companies supporting and interacting on a corporate level, like Red Hat. IBM certainly helped there, too, like it or not. Python would probably do well to have similar corporate advocates, but that would be an expensive and risky business proposition. Short term, I wouldn't expect to be able to make a big paycheck out of Python. As time goes on and the younger programmers who are using Python on their personal and open source projects get into positions of influence in the corporate world that will change. My thoughts, for what it's worth. Fight the good fight! Michael On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 04:28 +0200, python-dev-request(a)python.org wrote: > Send Python-Dev mailing list submissions to > python-dev(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-dev-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-dev-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Python-Dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Python developers are in demand (Nick Efford) > 2. Re: Python developers are in demand (Facundo Batista) > 3. Re: Python tickets summary (Facundo Batista) > 4. Re: Python developers are in demand (Anthony Roy) > 5. Re: Python developers are in demand > (Kevin Jacobs <jacobs(a)bioinformed.com>) > 6. Re: Python developers are in demand (Anna Ravenscroft) > 7. Re: Python developers are in demand (Anna Ravenscroft) > 8. Re: Python developers are in demand (Titus Brown) > 9. Re: Python tickets summary (Ron Adam) > 10. Re: Fwd: Deadlock by a second import in a thread (Facundo Batista) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:58:46 +0100 > From: Nick Efford <nde(a)comp.leeds.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand > To: python-dev(a)python.org > Message-ID: <472076E6.3090307(a)comp.leeds.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Interesting to see discussion on supply and demand issues for > Python programmers. You might be interested to learn that, > after a few years of flirting with Python in various ways, the > School of Computing at the University of Leeds has recently > switched to teaching Python as the first and primary programming > language for undergraduates on all of our degree programmes. > > I know we're not the only ones doing this, so perhaps the > supply will rise to meet the demand in a few years! > > > Nick > > -- > Dr Nick Efford, School of | E: nde(a)comp.leeds.ac.uk > Computing, University of | T: +44 113 343 6809 > Leeds, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK | W: http://www.comp.leeds.ac.uk/nde/ > --------------------------+----------------------------------------- > PGP fingerprint: 6ADF 16C2 4E2D 320B F537 8F3C 402D 1C78 A668 8492 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:13:48 -0300 > From: "Facundo Batista" <facundobatista(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand > To: "Alex Martelli" <aleaxit(a)gmail.com> > Cc: " Martin v. L?wis " <martin(a)v.loewis.de>, Christian Heimes > <lists(a)cheimes.de>, Python Dev <python-dev(a)python.org> > Message-ID: > <e04bdf310710250513j75099e7cj7e9d6fb662902472(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2007/10/24, Alex Martelli <aleaxit(a)gmail.com>: > > > using C++ and Java (and often C), but as far as I know there is no > > Stanford course (at least not within Symbolic Systems) that focuses > > specifically and exclusively on Python (there IS one course, > > In my constant try-to-push-Python-everywhere-I-go, I offered several > times Python courses to educational institutions (sometimes even > free). > > I succeeded some times, but then these courses not thrived year after > year. Normally, this is because the people that is actually taking the > decision of which language to teach in the courses do not know Python, > so is easier to them to keep teaching C. And this happens even if > it's not the better to the students, and even witht the students > asking for the change. > > But this is a problem of educative system here in Argentina, not of > Python itself (it surely get affected, though). > > Regards, > > -- > . Facundo > > Blog: http://www.taniquetil.com.ar/plog/ > PyAr: http://www.python.org/ar/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:11:28 -0300 > From: "Facundo Batista" <facundobatista(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python tickets summary > To: rrr(a)ronadam.com > Cc: python-dev(a)python.org > Message-ID: > <e04bdf310710250611h6fc6eab2m1ffee69777e8d3d5(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > 2007/10/24, Ron Adam <rrr(a)ronadam.com>: > > > > Note that these items are *all* open. > > > > I think the page title should reflect this. Possible changing it from > > > > "Python tickets" > > > > to > > "Python Open Tickets" > > Good point! It's fixed now. > > Thank you! > > -- > . Facundo > > Blog: http://www.taniquetil.com.ar/plog/ > PyAr: http://www.python.org/ar/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:40:45 +0100 (BST) > From: "Anthony Roy" <home(a)antroy.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand > To: "Nick Efford" <nde(a)comp.leeds.ac.uk> > Cc: python-dev(a)python.org > Message-ID: > <9558.194.200.199.193.1193316045.squirrel(a)webmail.plus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Interesting to see discussion on supply and demand issues for > > Python programmers. You might be interested to learn that, > > after a few years of flirting with Python in various ways, the > > School of Computing at the University of Leeds has recently > > switched to teaching Python as the first and primary programming > > language for undergraduates on all of our degree programmes. > > > > I know we're not the only ones doing this, so perhaps the > > supply will rise to meet the demand in a few years! > > I was a researcher in the School of Computing at Leeds Uni about 4 years > ago. Good to see them pushing Python! > > I keep my eyes open for Python Developer roles in the UK (particularly the > North), since I would far prefer to develop in Python than Java. However, > in the UK Python Jobs seem to be few and far between, and most of the ones > that there are are either low paid sys admin type roles, or are based in > London. > > Cheers, > > -- > Anthony Roy > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:18:04 -0400 > From: "Kevin Jacobs <jacobs(a)bioinformed.com>" <bioinformed(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] Python developers are in demand > To: python-dev(a)python.org > Message-ID: > <2e1434c10710250718v3b9d72esf5ee79be7d96a51d(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Just to chime in from the other side of the coin. > > I'm actively trying to hire qualified scientific programmers with strong > Python experience. Unfortunately, I've had little success finding > candidates with actual Python knowledge, resorting mainly to hiring those > who've seen it and can readily learn it on the job. So while it is > encouraging that Python is being used as an introductory language, that > trend has yet to "trickle up" to general availability of more advanced > practitioners. > > (The other reason I am having trouble recruiting Pythonistas is that my > field -- statistical genetics -- tends to be saturated with Perl folk. > Retraining them is a blast...) > > ~Kevin > [View Less]

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Summary of Tracker Issues
by Tracker Oct. 26, 2007

Oct. 26, 2007

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (10/19/07 - 10/26/07) Tracker at http://bugs.python.org/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 1311 open (+18) / 11509 closed (+18) / 12820 total (+36) Open issues with patches: 414 Average duration of open issues: 682 days. Median duration of open issues: 759 days. Open Issues Breakdown open 1307 (+18) pending 4 ( +0) Issues Created Or Reopened (37) _______________________________ … [View More]

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SSL 1.10, to fix client-side bug
by Bill Janssen Oct. 26, 2007

Oct. 26, 2007

I've updated the PyPI SSL package to 1.10, to fix a fairly serious bug in sendall() I found while updating the trunk code. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/ssl/ Bill

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Fwd: Deadlock by a second import in a thread
by Facundo Batista Oct. 26, 2007

Oct. 26, 2007

2007/10/19, Adam Olsen <rhamph(a)gmail.com>: > The solution then is, if your python file will ever be imported, you > must write a main function and do all the work there instead. Do not > write it in the style of a script (with significant work in the global > scope.) I had this a as a good coding style, not so mandatory. I agree with you that the OP shouldn't be doing that, but note that the main problem arises here because it's completely unpredictable the import in … [View More]

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