Mailman 3 August 1998 - Mailman-Developers

Why just SMTP?
by Nagy Balazs 26 Aug '98

26 Aug '98

Hiyas, I think there are a lot of mtu programs which works good in delivery/queue handling. OK, you wanted to write a 200% compatible program, but I think this isn't as good as it seems: 1| QMail doesn't put Date: and Message-ID: fields to the mail when you use smtp. 2| You can use 'mailx' anyway. 3| Delivery-locking is bogus. Ok, I think this is a good idea to handle smtp directly, but *please let us select* which method we prefer. I think you can use TryDelivery() (with a jumper table) instead of TrySMTPDelivery(). -- hacker: /n./ One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. PGP 0x1DE3631D / A8 B4 92 EE 1F 55 27 C8 86 64 9C 42 41 A4 BD B8

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The fog lifts...
by John Viega 26 Aug '98

26 Aug '98

As many of you know, I have been absent for the past few weeks, mainly because I've just become a new father. Things are starting to settle down for me now, and I'm looking forward to getting back to Mailman. I'll try to catch up on list traffic from the last few weeks ASAP. Anyway, my big priority is to try to get all the issues you guys have had with Mailman addressed by the end of September at the latest. Anyone with code to submit that hasn't already been posted to the list, please let me know ASAP. Right now, I think the most important submissions will be the bug fixes. However, I'm still interested in additions. In particular, I'm interested in the pipermail integration that someone mentioned a few weeks ago, assuming that it uses a solution for the database interface that will work out of the box on all Python installs. John

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Localization
by Tomas Fasth 26 Aug '98

26 Aug '98

>>>>>> "KM" == Ken Manheimer <klm(a)cnri.reston.va.us> writes: > > KM> If you take a look at the latest mailman version (see > KM> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-checkins for > KM> instructions on following the current CVS revision), you'll > KM> see that we've (primarily barry has) begun to separate out all > KM> the multi-line text messages into separate files, and also are > KM> using a functional interface to the messages. Seems like this > KM> would be an opportune place to incorporate locale sensitivity, > KM> among other things. It would have to be generalized a good > KM> bit to apply to *all* messages, but we suspect that it's a > KM> start... I followed your recommendation and examined the latest sources. It wasn't that obvious to me where to look for text separation changes. Can you give me a direction? Or maybe it's not part of the 1.06b code I checked out? Is there a separate branch for this maybe? I think a decent level of ambition would be to localize all interaction with users, owners and moderators. Other "system" stuff like logging and admin interaction is not that important, IMO. Tomas

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Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue (fwd) /home/mailman/cron/run_queue (fwd)
by Corbett J. Klempay 26 Aug '98

26 Aug '98

I just got this; if it's relevant, I am using the fix to prevent forking. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:42:06 -0400 From: Cron Daemon <root(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu> To: mailman(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? OutgoingQueue.processQueue() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 38, in processQueue Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 204, in TrySMTPDelivery OutgoingQueue.dequeueMessage(queue_entry) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 25, in dequeueMessage os.unlink(msg) os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory')

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Localization
by Barry A. Warsaw 20 Aug '98

20 Aug '98

[[Note that I've changed the CC to mm-dev]] >>>>> "KM" == Ken Manheimer <klm(a)cnri.reston.va.us> writes: KM> If you take a look at the latest mailman version (see KM> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-checkins for KM> instructions on following the current CVS revision), you'll KM> see that we've (primarily barry has) begun to separate out all KM> the multi-line text messages into separate files, and also are KM> using a functional interface to the messages. Seems like this KM> would be an opportune place to incorporate locale sensitivity, KM> among other things. It would have to be generalized a good KM> bit to apply to *all* messages, but we suspect that it's a KM> start... We had a discussion about this topic a couple of months ago (sadly, I realize this was in mailman-users 1998q3 archive). Ken's right about the groundwork I laid to rip most of the in-code text messages out of the .py files and into separate .txt files inside templates. I did it primarily for the cleanliness such separation provides, but also with a thought toward localization. We need to go one step further: we would need separate language specific subdirs inside templates that would hold the appropriate texts for other languages. We would need to modify Mailman.Utils.maketext() so that it takes an optional language argument, and would pick the text template out of proper subdir. Other issues: the keys interpolated into templates need to be localized. Other end-user intended text sprinkled in the code should be localized. Language preference on a per-list or per-user basis (or both)? Support for alternative localized HTML templates? Option names and descriptions? -Barry

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edithtml bug...
by The Dragon De Monsyne 20 Aug '98

20 Aug '98

I just stumbled upon a bug that prevents edithtml from working in 1.0b5. (It refuses to accept any password. ) Here's a patch: *** /usr/src/mailman-1.0b5/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py Mon Jul 27 17:48:31 1998 --- HTMLFormatter.py Wed Aug 19 09:16:34 1998 *************** *** 29,39 **** class HTMLFormatter: def InitVars(self): if self._internal_name: ! self._template_dir = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, ! self._internal_name) else: ! self._template_dir = mm_cfg.TEMPLATE_DIR def GetMailmanFooter(self): owners_html = Container() --- 29,47 ---- class HTMLFormatter: def InitVars(self): + pass + # if self._internal_name: + # self._template_dir = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, + # self._internal_name) + # else: + # self._template_dir = mm_cfg.TEMPLATE_DIR + + def GetTemplateDir(self): if self._internal_name: ! return os.path.join(mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR, self._internal_name) else: ! return mm_cfg.TEMPLATE_DIR ! def GetMailmanFooter(self): owners_html = Container() *************** *** 58,65 **** def SnarfHTMLTemplate(self, file): # XXX: hack, blech, yuk ! HTMLFormatter.InitVars(self) ! filename = os.path.join(self._template_dir, file) f = open(filename,'r') str = f.read() f.close() --- 66,74 ---- def SnarfHTMLTemplate(self, file): # XXX: hack, blech, yuk ! # HTMLFormatter.InitVars(self) ! # Yoiks! that was ugly! -ddm ! filename = os.path.join(self.GetTemplateDir(), file) f = open(filename,'r') str = f.read() f.close() *************** *** 332,342 **** return item[-5:] == '.html' files = filter(ExtensionFilter, os.listdir(mm_cfg.TEMPLATE_DIR)) ! Utils.MakeDirTree(self._template_dir) for filename in files: file1 = open(os.path.join(mm_cfg.TEMPLATE_DIR, filename), 'r') text = file1.read() file1.close() ! file2 = open(os.path.join(self._template_dir, filename), 'w+') file2.write(text) file2.close() --- 341,351 ---- return item[-5:] == '.html' files = filter(ExtensionFilter, os.listdir(mm_cfg.TEMPLATE_DIR)) ! Utils.MakeDirTree(self.GetTemplateDir()) for filename in files: file1 = open(os.path.join(mm_cfg.TEMPLATE_DIR, filename), 'r') text = file1.read() file1.close() ! file2 = open(os.path.join(self.GetTemplateDir(), filename), 'w+') file2.write(text) file2.close() *** /usr/src/mailman-1.0b5/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py Mon Jul 27 17:48:31 1998 --- Cgi/edithtml.py Wed Aug 19 09:26:59 1998 *************** *** 20,26 **** import sys import os, cgi, string, types ! from Mailman import Utils, MailList from Mailman import htmlformat --- 20,26 ---- import sys import os, cgi, string, types ! from Mailman import Utils, MailList, Errors from Mailman import htmlformat *************** *** 38,44 **** ('subscribe.html', 'Subscribe results page'), ('options.html', 'User specific options page'), ('handle_opts.html', 'Changing user options results page'), ! ('archives.html', 'Archives index page') ) --- 38,44 ---- ('subscribe.html', 'Subscribe results page'), ('options.html', 'User specific options page'), ('handle_opts.html', 'Changing user options results page'), ! ('roster.html', 'List roster page') ) *************** *** 56,62 **** try: list = MailList.MailList(list_name, lock=0) ! except: doc.AddItem(htmlformat.Header(2, "%s : No such list" % list_name)) print doc.Format() sys.exit(0) --- 56,62 ---- try: list = MailList.MailList(list_name, lock=0) ! except Errors.MMUnknownListError: doc.AddItem(htmlformat.Header(2, "%s : No such list" % list_name)) print doc.Format() sys.exit(0) *************** *** 110,116 **** try: list.ConfirmAdminPassword(cgi_data['adminpw'].value) ChangeHTML(list, cgi_data, template_name, doc) ! except: m = 'Error: Incorrect admin password.' doc.AddItem(htmlformat.Header(3, htmlformat.Italic( --- 110,116 ---- try: list.ConfirmAdminPassword(cgi_data['adminpw'].value) ChangeHTML(list, cgi_data, template_name, doc) ! except Errors.MMBadPasswordError: m = 'Error: Incorrect admin password.' doc.AddItem(htmlformat.Header(3, htmlformat.Italic( *************** *** 130,136 **** pass - def InitDocument(): return htmlformat.HeadlessDocument() --- 130,135 ---- *************** *** 176,182 **** doc.AddItem('<hr>') return code = cgi_info['html_code'].value ! f = open(os.path.join(list._template_dir, template_name), 'w') f.write(code) f.close() doc.AddItem(htmlformat.Header(3, 'HTML successfully updated.')) --- 175,181 ---- doc.AddItem('<hr>') return code = cgi_info['html_code'].value ! f = open(os.path.join(list.GetTemplateDir(), template_name), 'w') f.write(code) f.close() doc.AddItem(htmlformat.Header(3, 'HTML successfully updated.')) -The Dragon De Monsyne

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Built-in archiver for mailman...
by The Dragon De Monsyne 17 Aug '98

17 Aug '98

Just thought I'd let anyone interested know, I've got an internal archiving module for mailman 1.0b5, based on the latest pipermail. It does yearly, monthly and quarterly archives, and all the html it generates is created from templates, for easy customization. (also if you dont use it, it won't interfere with an external archiver. ) I have a few patches to get together, then, sometime this week, whence I get a spare moment or two, I'll put it all together and post it. -The Dragon De Monsyne

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duplicate messages
by Scott 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

I have a test list set up on a linux box that is regularly sending out 2 copies of messages. The list has 2 subscribers, and inevitably one of the two subscribers (different host names) gets a duplicate message. Which one gets the duplicate appears to be random. If i only have one subscriber, then no duplicates are produced. I poked around the sources a bit and found that if I take out the fork() in this deliver script function, i no longer get duplicates. I don't know why this fork() would create duplicate deliveries, but i am certain that eliminating the call to forker() causes no duplicates to be produced. def ContactTransportForEachGroup(sender, groups, text): if len(groups) == 1: ContactTransport(sender,groups[0],text) return for group in groups: if not forker(): # if we don't fork here, there are no duplicates ContactTransport(sender,group,text) os._exit(0) interestingly enough, the following script never seems to produce duplicates: import os l = [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9] for x in l: if not os.fork(): print x os._exit(0) any help on how to fix this would be greatly appreciated. I am running Linux chronis 2.0.33 #1 Mon Apr 27 22:50:00 EDT 1998 i586 with glibc2.07, python 1.5.1, mailman 1.0b5. scott

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cvs + cvsweb
by Corbett J. Klempay 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

Just one note: I'd highly recommend the Hans Zeller-modified version of CVSWeb (I thought I remembered one of you guys saying you were going to CVSWeb it)...it's a lot prettier (the diff support is much nicer too)...if you want to see one of what I mean, http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "There are two things a real man likes - danger and play. And he likes women because she is the most dangerous of playthings." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Checkin messages now available
by Barry A. Warsaw 12 Aug '98

12 Aug '98

Folks, I've created a Mailman mailing list that you can join to get the CVS checkin messages as we make changes to the tree. Please see <http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-checkins/> for details. -Barry

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