Mailman 3 December 2001 - Mailman-Developers

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] MTA load, custom messages, bounces
by J C Lawrence 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:11:42 -0500 bob <Puff@NLE" <bob(a)nleaudio.com>> wrote: > Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >> Unless, of course, the postmaster implements bounces using a "not >> here any more" mailbot, which will strip all of the headers, not >> return as a bounce, and probably not be parsable by anything but >> a human, and maybe not then. >> This is called "being helpful", of course. > I -just- experienced one of those! Had a bunch of them in my > mailman-owner mailbox from this one guy on an active list. Sigh. The ones I love even more are the, "User <whatever> has not collected this message of Subject: Something and MessageID: SomethingElse for more than 30 days. You can gleefully unsubscribe them of course, but the mail system on the other end will gleefully go on reminding you of some number of messages from 6 months earlier and everything since... -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Amending list web_page_url attribute on Python2.1a3
by Richard Barrett 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

I'm using MM 2.1a3 off sourceforge to redevelop my mailman-htdig integration patches; I'm work with the mailman-2.1a3.tgz download not from CVS. With MM 2.0.X amending a list's web_page_url attribute could be done directly at the bottom of the General admin page. With MM 2.1a3 the field at the bottom of the General admin page is now the host_name attribute. MM 2.1a3 admin page lets me change the host to for the list but I cannot see any way on the list admin pages to change the addressing scheme for the list, e.g from http to https. Have I missed something or am I reduce to using $prefix/bin/withlist?

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] MM Bouncer
by J C Lawrence 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 20:42:44 -0500 Jay R Ashworth <jra(a)baylink.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 01:32:20PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:37:36 -0500 Jay R Ashworth >> External IO, yes, disk IO, no. QMail allows you to initiate a >> single spool file with a list of addresses to VERP against, and >> from there every message is delivered individually. This cuts >> local disk IO, the ultimate constraining performance factor, >> drastically. > Except that, as was noted earlier, Chuq's problem *is* his wires. > :-) Umm, those are his wires within his network, not the wires to the great untapped 'network at large. Yeesh. MTAs are fundamentally disk IO bound. No two ways about it. Not much you can do about it either, not without violating the commit semantics of the protocol. <shrug> Chuq speaks better for himself than I do. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: way to minimize IO load with MTA supported VERP
by bob＠nleaudio.com 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

>> [*] VERP helps with knowing exactly which address on which list is >> bouncing, but I don't think it helps much with knowing the >> severity of the bounce. > >It doesn't. I'm strongly tempted to treat all bounces as hard, >unless we can cheaply _and_ conclusively determine that they are >soft. I don't think it would be easily done, and I would venture to say it's not worth the time investment trying to code. I think time is the key to separating hard vs soft. Bounces don't seem to take up much resources, so what's the big deal if we tolerate them over a little longer period of time? Bob

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Options
by barry＠zope.com 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

[Changing followups to mailman-developers as this discussion really belongs there. -BAW] >>>>> "DW" == Dan Wilder <dan(a)ssc.com> writes: DW> I guess I'm wondering if anybody recalls the intent of this DW> code. The only person who ever had a chance of understanding the intent is John Viega, but he's been removed from Mailman hacking for so long, I doubt even he remembers. I've looked at this stuff too, and there are a number of things that seem just plain broken to me. I'd like to rewrite it all, but I'm not sure there will be time before 2.1. -Barry

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Quick script to update footers sitewide?
by Chuq Von Rospach 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

Anyone got a quick script handy I can use to update configuration data for all lists? I want to tweak my headers and footers. I know I want ot use with_list, but I've never done it. Anyone got a script handy I can borrow/tweak and put on the FAQ?

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Re: Theoretical way to minimize IO load with MTA supported VERP
by tneff＠bigfoot.com 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

"Jay R. Ashworth" <jra(a)baylink.com> wrote: > I don't see that there *is* any theoretical way to *keep* loads down > with VERP, by it's very nature. ... > If I'm sending 100 copies to @aol.com, without VERP, I send the message > once. > > With VERP, I have to send it 100 times. If one was willing to extend SMTP again, it would be theoretically possible to send one copy of a message to aol.com for 100 recipients with a form of VERP, using an extended syntax like MAIL FROM:mylist-owner@mydomain.com 250 mylist-owner(a)mydomain.com... Sender ok RCPT TO:johnsmith@aol.com EPFX:johnsmith-aol.com- 250 johnsmith(a)aol.com... Recipient ok RCPT TO:joerandom@aol.com EPFX:joerandom-aol.com- 250 joerandom(a)aol.com... Recipient ok DATA and the receiving MTA would prepend the EPFX value to the envelope sender for each recipient.

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