Mailman 3 January 2002 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] bounce processing in 2.1CVS
by Dan Mick 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

> 1) are we a member? No, return > 2) do we have previous bounces? No, register it skip to step 7 > 3) is the member disabled? yes, quit > 4) is the bounce info from today? yes, don't increment, skip to step 7 > 5) is the info stale? yes, reset it and skip to step 7 > 6) increment score for today's bounce > 7) is score > threshold? yes, disable 'em. Yeah, I like that better; at least it handles "I need to reset my bounce threshold to get out of a hole" better. > DM> And besides, that seems like a useful knob to turn (i.e. "how > DM> old does the bounce info have to be before I start looking for > DM> new ones"). > > It might be, but I think for now I don't want to add that. I suppose I know how to write that much Python. :) > I realized you also want to add a step in cron/disabled that performs > a sweep over the currently-bouncing-but-not-yet-disabled members, > checking their scores against the threshold. Say this morning the > threshold was 4.0 and some member had a score of 3.0. Then I go in > and say screw it, set the threshold to 2.0. I'd like today's > cron/disabled run to disable all those members with a score of 3.0. Yeah, good point.

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bounce processing in 2.1CVS
by Dan Mick 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

I could be high, but it looks like the sequence in Bouncer.py is: 1) are we a member? No, return 2) do we have previous bounces? No, register it and quit 3) is the member disabled? yes, quit 4) is the bounce info from today? yes, quit 5) is the info stale? yes, clear it out 6) start looking for action It seems like 4) is pretty procrustean. If, for instance, I have a wad of bounces, and decide "screw it, if they get to one bounce, I want them gone" and change the bounce threshold, that's not going to take effect until tomorrow. And besides, that seems like a useful knob to turn (i.e. "how old does the bounce info have to be before I start looking for new ones"). I think maybe the threshold should be checked before the 'check against time', to handle changing thresholds, and that the 'time-to-reexamine' value should be a modifiable value (currently hardcoded 1 day). Comments?

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our mailman problem
by Hormoz Goodarzy 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

Please visit the archive of the following listserve. Could you let us know how we can correct the messages not to appear with so many codes in the thread discussions and responses and approvals the moderators need to perform. http://www.cambridge.edu/eforum/ Example: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C1A5C7.5D088940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and we can have contact fast and easy everyone ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C1A5C7.5D088940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>and we can have contact fast and easy=20 everyone</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C1A5C7.5D088940--

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More weird situations...
by Chuq Von Rospach 29 Jan '02

29 Jan '02

I've just run into yet another weird condition that mailman struggles with. This may sound silly, but.. I renamed a mailing list today. However, if you strictly follow the List-ID RFC (at least, as I read it), even though it's been renamed, the List-ID shouldn't change. Even though opentransportdev(a)lists.apple.com has become macprogdev(a)lists.apple.com, the List-ID should still be opentransportdev.lists.apple.com, since that's how it was defined in the global name space. Now, in practice, I think it's important for the list-ID to track the list name, but to be strictly compliant for those who want it that way, it seems there ought to be a way to explicitly set List-ID, which Mailman just can't do right now. This, obviously, is a showstopper for 2.1.... (snork).

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Importing email 0.96 problem
by Dan Mick 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

> That may not help, for a few reasons. First, there are some patches > to the email package that got applied after 2.2 was released. Have you been including a later-than-2.2 email.py in the CVS? I've been ignoring it there, perhaps to my detriment...

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] load balancing with mailman.
by Darrell Fuhriman 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

Marc MERLIN <marc_news(a)vasoftware.com> writes: > I have a mail server which automatically rewrites mailman lists > envelope tos to go to the mailman only mail server. Exactly, but I'd rather avoid that. I don't like having special cases if it's avoidable. Special cases don't scale well. > You _can_ export ~mailman over NFS. The problem was that with Yes, but since the mailman machine lives outside the firewall, I'd *really* rather not run NFS, even if it is filtered at the router. Further, that means you've introduced a single dependency into your mail server setup, which rather defeats the purpose of having redundant mail receivers. > I think the NFS approach is the simplest by far :-) Yah, but ultimately suboptimal, I think... especially since the only reason it's the easiest is because of the lack of abstraction of the interfaces. Darrell

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(no subject)
by LEES107＠aol.com 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

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Once again, fame and fortune can be yours
by barry＠zope.com 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

A few years ago we ran a Mailman logo contest, had quite a few very good submissions, and eventually chose a logo by The Dragon De Monsyne. Now with the advent of favicons I'd like to run another mini-contest. I admit shameful jealousy in seeing more and more cool favicons in my Mozilla tabs, and I want one for Mailman too. Of course, I'm a musician[1] not an artist, so I need your help. I sort of think it ought to be a play on the circle in the cancellation mark logo. Maybe with the words "MAIL LIST" replaced with "Mailman" (bonus to get the "GNU" in there). But hey, feel free to ignore me as much as I ignore my lead singer when he suggests bass parts. :) I don't want to stiffle anyone's creativity! One caveat: please assign copyright to the FSF if we accept your logo. Enjoy, -Barry [1] Don't worry, you all will be forced to buy several copies of my new CD "The Mailman Never Delivers Twice" on my self-owned label Pumpichank Records, when it's released later this year. It'll include the sure-to-be-top-10 Mailman theme song, "Is That A Python In Your Pocket (Or Are You Just Glad To Hack Me)?".

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Mailman deliver twice
by Ousmane Wilane 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

Hi, The headers below are from a post I received twice (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2002-January/010501.html)... I remember having noticed this sometime back but thought that I needed some sleep and didn't investigated it... Now I thing that either Exim on mail.python.org or Mailman need some sleep, or that I need some vacations :) --- Headers excerpt from <Pro-phile Technology Solutions> Post --- Received: from pop.vip.sc5.yahoo.com [216.136.173.10] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.0) for wilane@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:26:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.python.org (63.102.49.29) by mta308.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 14:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 3.21 #1) id 16UEgh-0006Ax-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:19:11 -0500 Received: from [66.70.189.168] (helo=pro-phile.pro-phile.com ident=root) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 3.21 #1) id 16QjAr-0003Si-00 for mailman-developers(a)python.org; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 01:03:49 -0500 Received: from ddr (adsl-64-163-108-194.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [64.163.108.194]\) by pro-phile.pro-phile.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g0G63lY12482 for <mailman-developers(a)python.org>; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:03:48 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c19e53$90f36930$0200a8c0@ddr> --- Headers End --- Cheers -- Ousmane Wilane

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MemberAdaptor.py [missing line?]
by Donal Hunt 28 Jan '02

28 Jan '02

MemberAdaptor.py [lines 119-124] def getMemberPassword(self, member): """Return the member's password. If the member KEY/LCE is not a member of the list, raise NotAMemberError. """ should there be a "raise NotImplemented" after the documentation stuff?? ie - is that the general rule to raise with any method in MemberAdaptor that we don't want implemented... Currently working on the LDAP authenticator and I don't want people to change their LDAP password with Mailman. :) Regards Donal --DCU--

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