Mailman 3 June 2002 - Mailman-Developers

[ mailman-Bugs-566482 ] Mod req notification but nothing shown
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Bugs item #566482, was opened at 2002-06-09 14:53 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566482&group_id… Category: None Group: 2.1 beta Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Alan Schwartz (alansz) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Mod req notification but nothing shown Initial Comment: Running 2.1b2 cvs checkout of June 3 2002. Upgraded a previously 2.0.11 server with several lists. Everything seems to be operating ok mailwise except I'm receiving a daily email from checkdbs on two of the lists directing me to their admindb pages for pending requests. When I visit those urls, there are no pending requests. The lists' request.db's appear to be binary-identical to those of the other mailing lists that don't have any pending requests (that is, empty). I haven't managed to figure out why checkdbs is generating these notices. Help would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Michael Totschnig (totschnig) Date: 2002-06-11 13:28 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=318184 I see these phantom request notifcations too, and I have spotted a pattern that might help debug them. I did not see them every morning, but only once in a while. It seems that they are triggered by subscriptions to the lists. Every time someone has confirmed his subscription during the preceding 24 hours, I get these notification requests and the number of requests mentioned in the notification is identical to the number of subscription confirmations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566482&group_id…

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[ mailman-Patches-567288 ] 'rejection-notice' breaks METAFMT_ASCII
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Patches item #567288, was opened at 2002-06-11 09:13 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=567288&group_id… Category: mail delivery Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Maximillian Dornseif (mdornseif) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: 'rejection-notice' breaks METAFMT_ASCII Initial Comment: The variable 'rejection-notice' will not work well with METADATA_FORMAT = METAFMT_ASCII or HOLD_MESSAGES_AS_PICKLES = 0. Renaming to 'rejection_notice' helps. I guess this change breaks kompatibility with old queues. In case SF.net upload breaks: http://c0re.jp/c0de/misc/mailman-2.1b2-rejection-notice.patch Index: ./Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py - text = Utils.wrap(msgdata.get('rejection-notice', + text = Utils.wrap(msgdata.get('rejection_notice', Index: ./Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py - msgdata['rejection-notice'] = Utils.wrap(exc.rejection_notice(mlist)) + msgdata['rejection_notice'] = Utils.wrap(exc.rejection_notice(mlist)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=567288&group_id…

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[ mailman-Bugs-566691 ] check for subscriber fails w/ moderated
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Bugs item #566691, was opened at 2002-06-10 01:09 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566691&group_id… Category: security/privacy Group: 2.0.x Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Jeff Garvas (jgarvas) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: check for subscriber fails w/ moderated Initial Comment: When you run a list that is non-moderated, but you limit posts to the subscribers list, a post by a non-member results in this error: Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list If you go into "Privacy Options" and change "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" and maintain "Restrict posting privilege to list members" a post by a non-subscriber results in THIS reason: Reason: Post to moderated list Unless I am missing a configuration option, I believe this is a flaw in the order in which mailman is checking posts. Even if a list is moderated, the reason this individual post was rejected should still read Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list or, a new reason should be made like this: Reason: Post by a non-member to a members-only AND moderated list This may seem like a silly request, but if you run a members only list that happens to be moderated as well, you run into the problem of accidentally approving a post from a non-member when the content of that post was "on topic". Is there a fix for this? Would this classify as a bug? Does anyone know of any other work arounds? When you have a few thousand people on a mailing list, its not really easy to realize on your own that a specific individual isn't a subscriber to the list. Especially when you have multiple individuals help administrate the list itself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Jeff Garvas (jgarvas) Date: 2002-06-11 00:50 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=560554 I've been experimenting with Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py (playing with python for the first time ever) and after spending some time trying to figure out how to compile it, I came up with a simple idea. I moved the code that checks if the list is moderated to immediately after the code that checks if the list is "subscriber only" and the post is coming from a subscriber or not. The result: Exactly what I want. However, I don't know if I've managed to miss something obvious by doing this. Have I possibly broken an aspect of Mailman and I'm not realizing it? With this modification to Hold.py a post from a non- subscriber to a moderated (and subscriber only) list ends up in the administrative queue with a reason of "Post by non- member to member-only list" instead of a moderated list bounce. This seems like the logical and proper way for this to operate. Can someone tell me if this appears to be a safe and proper solution? If so, I think it should be rolled into the current version. I generated a patch file with diff -C 2, attached here, but possibly not created properly. Beware when running it! :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566691&group_id…

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Strange Reply-To in 2.1b2
by Luigi Rosa 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Hello mailman-developers, with 2.1b2 often (but not always, I am not yet able to say exactly when) the Reply-To field of a message posted in reply of another has this value: Reply-To: Luigi Rosa <lrosa(a)venus.it>, staff(a)mail.hypertrek.info where the first mail is the personal mail of the person who replied and the second is the address of the list. Is this a bug or a feature? Thanks. -- Best regards, Luigi mailto:lrosa@mail.hypertrek.info

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[ mailman-Bugs-229568 ] Pipermail won't resolve author names of aol.com addresses
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Bugs item #229568, was opened at 2001-01-20 21:53 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=229568&group_id… Category: Pipermail Group: None Status: Open Resolution: Works For Me Priority: 5 Submitted By: Aharon Varady (aharon) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Pipermail won't resolve author names of aol.com addresses Initial Comment: Pipermail does not resolve the "author" of emails sent from aol.com. Instead, Pipermail gives the email address of the listserve. For example: "John" <user(a)aol.com> is resolved by pipermail as: listname(a)foo.com and not as John. This bug only occurs for users of aol.com addresses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Ava Jarvis (katanalynx) Date: 2002-06-10 21:14 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=561110 This bug -- for version 2.0.11 at least -- seems to occur when 'from' only contains the email address. There's some code in pipermail.py (version 2.0.11), line 177: <excerpt> # Figure out the e-mail address and poster's name self.author, self.email = message.getaddr('From') e = message.getheader('Reply-To') if e is not None: self.email = e self.email = strip_separators(self.email) self.author = strip_separators(self.author) if self.author == "": self.author = self.email </excerpt> If reply-to is set, then it is always taken as the author's email address. However, some lists set the reply-to field to be, for instance, the list address.... and you can guess what happens next when there is no name comment/author. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Date: 2002-06-06 11:09 Message: Logged In: NO This comment doesn't directly address the case you report, but it might be related so I thought it worthwhile to submit. I see you are using MM2.0.9. I saw a similar problem with MM2.1b1, which was fixed in MM2.1b2. The problem then was that an address with a name "comment" would be displayed in the archive as the list name, whereas an address with a name comment would be displayed (properly) with the name. Example: "John Doe" jdoe(a)whereever.com displayed as "John Doe" whereas jdoe(a)whereever.com displayed as the list name. In your comment, you use an example with a name comment of "John", but in the example you provided there is no name comment field, so perhaps my statements here do apply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Aharon Varady (aharon) Date: 2002-06-05 20:37 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=139355 Well, this remains (and has always been) a problem for my lists. I have never had a user posting with an aol.com address that this hasn't been the case with. Currently my solution is to replace the wrong address shown (philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com) with a generic or balnk mark. Here is the html source of a typical email from our pipermail archive, and below it the source email with headers. ------------------------------------------------------------- <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <head> <title> [Philly_ambient] tool! </title> <link REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > <link REL="made" HREF="mailto:philly_ambient%40phobos.serve.com"> <meta NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> <link REL="Previous" href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002904.html"> <link REL="Next" href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002911.html"> <style TYPE="text/css"></style></head> <body BGCOLOR="#cccccc"><font face="Arial,Helvetica" size=-1><ul> <h4>[Philly_ambient] tool!</h4>Posted by <b>. . . .. . . .</b> on <i>Mon Jun 3 23:17:02 2002</i> <p></font><table cellpadding=3><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF width="475"><font face="geneva,courier"><tt>  <pre>hey all a friend can get me some free tickets to see TOOL on monday august 12 at sovereign bank arena in trenton. i know mondays suck, but oh well. is anyone here into going? if so, contact me privately. i know it's not ambient, but neither is some of what we discuss here :) let me know asap, please gina </pre>  </tt></font></td></tr></table><font face="Arial,Helvetica" size=-1> <p>  <li> Previous message: <a href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002904.html">[Philly_ambient] Noise Deafinitions and playlist </a></li> <li> Next message: <a href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002911.html">[Philly_ambient] Do you hear what I hear? (re: noise deaf) </a></li> <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> <a href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/date.html#2907">[ date ]</a> <a href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/thread.html#2907">[ thread ]</a> <a href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/subject.html#2907">[ subject ]</a> <a href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/author.html#2907">[ author ]</a> </li> </body></html> --------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is the original email with headers: --------------------------------------------------------------- >From - Tue Jun 04 01:16:56 2002 X-UIDL: m;n!!9'f!!a2E"!3;D"! X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Return-Path: <philly_ambient-admin(a)phobos.serve.com> Delivered-To: aharon(a)phobos.serve.com Received: from phobos.serve.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.serve.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC4D52D2B; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by phobos.serve.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F82F52D1D for <philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mistsojorn(a)aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.d4.184e63f9 (17378) for <philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mistsojorn(a)aol.com Message-ID: <d4.184e63f9.2a2d8a9b(a)aol.com> To: philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66 Subject: [Philly_ambient] tool! Sender: philly_ambient-admin(a)phobos.serve.com Errors-To: philly_ambient-admin(a)phobos.serve.com X-BeenThere: philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com List-Help: <mailto:philly_ambient-request@phobos.serve.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:philly_ambient@phobos.serve.com> List-Subscribe: <http://phobos.serve.com/mailman/listinfo/philly_ambient>, <mailto:philly_ambient-request@phobos.serve.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: a discussion list relevant to Philadelphia Ambient and Experimental Psychedelic Music Enthusiasts <philly_ambient.phobos.serve.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://phobos.serve.com/mailman/listinfo/philly_ambient>, <mailto:philly_ambient-request@phobos.serve.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/> X-Original-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:14:35 EDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:14:35 EDT X-UIDL: m;n!!9'f!!a2E"!3;D"! hey all a friend can get me some free tickets to see TOOL on monday august 12 at sovereign bank arena in trenton. i know mondays suck, but oh well. is anyone here into going? if so, contact me privately. i know it's not ambient, but neither is some of what we discuss here :) let me know asap, please gina _______________________________________________ Philly_ambient mailing list Philly_ambient(a)phobos.serve.com Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Edit Options at: http://phobos.serve.com/mailman/listinfo/philly_ambient a PAC(MaN) List http://simpletone.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know why pipermail would treat my aol subscribers different either. But it is. Aharon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-04-28 20:11 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 Bizarre. I've never seen this, and I can't see any reason why Pipermail would treat aol.com addresses any different. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=229568&group_id…

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[ mailman-Feature Requests-567096 ] list_members script export Name+Address
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Feature Requests item #567096, was opened at 2002-06-10 19:13 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=567096&group_id… Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Rodolfo Pilas (alkalino) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: list_members script export Name+Address Initial Comment: I uses MM 2.1b2+ (from CVS this month -June 2002) The mass subscription (web) option enables me to put one user address form each line with this format: Name Surname <name(a)address.com> and works ok. However the $PREFIX/bin/list_members script do not export with this format, it list name(a)address.com only. Please, add to list_members a complete user data exportation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=567096&group_id…

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List Reply Address
by Sarah K. Miller 10 Jun '02

10 Jun '02

I'm using 2.1b2 and I've started getting complaints about the "reply" address in the digests. It appears that all digests come from their respective lists -request address with no "reply-to" address specified. That means if someone just clicks "reply", their message goes to the request address instead of to the regular list. Is this intentional behavior or am I missing a setting somewhere?? -- Sarah Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

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[ mailman-Bugs-566691 ] check for subscriber fails w/ moderated
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 10 Jun '02

10 Jun '02

Bugs item #566691, was opened at 2002-06-10 01:09 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566691&group_id… Category: security/privacy Group: 2.0.x Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Jeff Garvas (jgarvas) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: check for subscriber fails w/ moderated Initial Comment: When you run a list that is non-moderated, but you limit posts to the subscribers list, a post by a non-member results in this error: Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list If you go into "Privacy Options" and change "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" and maintain "Restrict posting privilege to list members" a post by a non-subscriber results in THIS reason: Reason: Post to moderated list Unless I am missing a configuration option, I believe this is a flaw in the order in which mailman is checking posts. Even if a list is moderated, the reason this individual post was rejected should still read Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list or, a new reason should be made like this: Reason: Post by a non-member to a members-only AND moderated list This may seem like a silly request, but if you run a members only list that happens to be moderated as well, you run into the problem of accidentally approving a post from a non-member when the content of that post was "on topic". Is there a fix for this? Would this classify as a bug? Does anyone know of any other work arounds? When you have a few thousand people on a mailing list, its not really easy to realize on your own that a specific individual isn't a subscriber to the list. Especially when you have multiple individuals help administrate the list itself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566691&group_id…

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[ mailman-Bugs-566482 ] Mod req notification but nothing shown
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 09 Jun '02

09 Jun '02

Bugs item #566482, was opened at 2002-06-09 09:53 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566482&group_id… Category: None Group: 2.1 beta Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Alan Schwartz (alansz) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Mod req notification but nothing shown Initial Comment: Running 2.1b2 cvs checkout of June 3 2002. Upgraded a previously 2.0.11 server with several lists. Everything seems to be operating ok mailwise except I'm receiving a daily email from checkdbs on two of the lists directing me to their admindb pages for pending requests. When I visit those urls, there are no pending requests. The lists' request.db's appear to be binary-identical to those of the other mailing lists that don't have any pending requests (that is, empty). I haven't managed to figure out why checkdbs is generating these notices. Help would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566482&group_id…

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[ mailman-Bugs-566301 ] umbrella list: unsubscribe key public
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 09 Jun '02

09 Jun '02

Bugs item #566301, was opened at 2002-06-08 23:44 You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566301&group_id… Category: security/privacy Group: 2.1 beta Status: Open Resolution: None >Priority: 7 Submitted By: Stefan Divjak (stdivjak) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: umbrella list: unsubscribe key public Initial Comment: Mailman offers a feature to set up an "umbrella-list", which is used if a list just has other lists as members. Assume we have an umbrella-list U, which has to members, X and Y - both are also lists. Now, cleverly, the monthly password reminders are not sent to X and Y, but to "X-owner" and "Y-owner" instead, so this information should reach the owners of the subscribed lists (sending a password reminder to X would mean giving each member of the X list the power to unsubscribe X from U etc.). But: If a member of X or Y opens the member options page (http://my.server.net/mailman/options/U/X) and clicks on the "unsubscribe" button, the necessary key is mailed to X (and not to "X-owner"). This is probably not what we want. If the list archive is not private, the password is even available to everyone out there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=566301&group_id…

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