Mailman 3 August 2002 - Mailman-Developers

[ mailman-Patches-594771 ] i18n support for Archiver
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

Patches item #594771, was opened at 2002-08-13 21:09 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=594771&group_i… Category: Pipermail Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: i18n support for Archiver Initial Comment: I'm trying to provide changes in small chunks. This 1st patch does the following: - 7 new template files: archidxentry.html archidxhead.html archidxfoot.html archliststart.html archlistend.html archtoc.html archtocentry.html - _() marking for translatable strings - a few small bugfixes (e.g. unwanted spaces, bin/arch not calling i18n.set_language, etc.) TODO: - show translated tags for archive volumes (e.g. "2002-August", "2002q3", "Week-of-Mon-XXXX") I have 2 alternatives: renaming files and dirs where the archives are built (cleaner, but screws up everything in pre-existing archives) or build a tag-to-description translator (better, I think) - find a way to produce translated datetime strings without using locale.setlocale and time.strftime() (this is discouraged in Python manual) Here I really need some advice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Date: 2002-08-26 23:53 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=67709 Thank you for updating. Another comment: I'v got error when I post a message to a list after applying this patch. It is because a new variable Article._lang was introduced and the older archive doesn't have this. I had to re-generate the whole archive. Another solution may be like..... if not self._lang: self._lang = self._mlist.preferred_language i18n.set_language(self._lang) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-26 19:12 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 I'm attaching the 3rd chunk modified as suggested by Tokio Kikuchi. Maybe i18n_ctime is worth moving in Mailman/i18n.py ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Date: 2002-08-26 05:02 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=67709 I have submitted a slight change to this patch. It is uploaded in a separate patch ID. Thank you Simone for exellent work! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-14 18:49 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 And finally, this is the 3rd piece of the puzzle: dates translation. I had to reinvent the wheel, and it's an relatively expensive hack (from a computational efficiency point of view) but it works without touching pipermail.py This patch is incremental and must be applied after #2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-13 23:38 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 Here is the 2nd patch, providing the tag-to-description translator for volume tags. This patch is incremental and must be applied after patch #¹ Now the last thing is dates. I wouln'd want to reinvent the wheel.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=594771&group_i…

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[ mailman-Patches-600048 ] i18n archiver update
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Patches item #600048, was opened at 2002-08-26 04:54 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600048&group_i… Category: None Group: None >Status: Closed >Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Submitted By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: i18n archiver update Initial Comment: update for patch ID 594771 - _i18n_ctime() should be outside of HyperArchive class, because it is called within Article class. HyperArch.py was updated in CVS. So, first apply patches 1and 2 from 594771, discard HyperArch.py, re-install HyperArch.py from CVS and then apply this patch. Confused? I hope Barry include this in the CVS ASAP. ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Date: 2002-08-26 23:56 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=67709 closing because this is included in the original patch (594771) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Date: 2002-08-26 04:59 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=67709 You must re-generate whole archive (or at lease recent articles) by using bin/arch, because there are new class variables. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600048&group_i…

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MemberAdaptor... trouble with API?
by Steve Spicklemire 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Hi Mailman folks, I've started poking around in mailman, trying to help out some folks, and I've come across something I'm not sure how to handle. I'd like to get Mailman working with LDAP, and the first order of business is to simply allow folks to use their LDAP passwords as an option when authenticating with Mailman. Here was my first crack at it: from checkLDAP import checkLDAP import string def makefunc(oldAuth): def new_authenticateMember( member, response, oldAuth=oldAuth, debug=0 ): l_r = string.split(member, '@') if len(l_r) == 2: if l_r[1] == 'our.domain': if checkLDAP( None, member, response): return response return oldAuth( member, response) return new_authenticateMember def extend(mlist): oldfunc = mlist.authenticateMember mlist.authenticateMember = makefunc(oldfunc) I expected that all I needed to do was to replace "authenticateMember' in extend.py and I would be set. Unfortunately, my code never gets called! Snooping through the SecurityManager class, I see that instead, it uses 'getMemberPassword', and never calls 'authenticateMember' at all! The problem is that we don't have any unencrypted passwords to "get". So do I need to override "Authenticate" of SecurityManger to call authenticateMember rather then 'getMemberPassword'? This seems a little wierd. Would it be better to have SecurityManager call 'authenticateMember'? Is the cleartext password really required? If it *is* actually required, couldn't the code just call 'authenticateMember', and if successful, use 'response', rather than asking for the cleartext password from the member adaptor? thanks, -steve

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[ mailman-Patches-594771 ] i18n support for Archiver
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Patches item #594771, was opened at 2002-08-13 23:09 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=594771&group_i… Category: Pipermail Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: i18n support for Archiver Initial Comment: I'm trying to provide changes in small chunks. This 1st patch does the following: - 7 new template files: archidxentry.html archidxhead.html archidxfoot.html archliststart.html archlistend.html archtoc.html archtocentry.html - _() marking for translatable strings - a few small bugfixes (e.g. unwanted spaces, bin/arch not calling i18n.set_language, etc.) TODO: - show translated tags for archive volumes (e.g. "2002-August", "2002q3", "Week-of-Mon-XXXX") I have 2 alternatives: renaming files and dirs where the archives are built (cleaner, but screws up everything in pre-existing archives) or build a tag-to-description translator (better, I think) - find a way to produce translated datetime strings without using locale.setlocale and time.strftime() (this is discouraged in Python manual) Here I really need some advice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-26 21:12 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 I'm attaching the 3rd chunk modified as suggested by Tokio Kikuchi. Maybe i18n_ctime is worth moving in Mailman/i18n.py ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Date: 2002-08-26 07:02 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=67709 I have submitted a slight change to this patch. It is uploaded in a separate patch ID. Thank you Simone for exellent work! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-14 20:49 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 And finally, this is the 3rd piece of the puzzle: dates translation. I had to reinvent the wheel, and it's an relatively expensive hack (from a computational efficiency point of view) but it works without touching pipermail.py This patch is incremental and must be applied after #2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-14 01:38 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 Here is the 2nd patch, providing the tag-to-description translator for volume tags. This patch is incremental and must be applied after patch #¹ Now the last thing is dates. I wouln'd want to reinvent the wheel.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=594771&group_i…

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[ mailman-Patches-600368 ] i18n fix for HTMLFormatter.py
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Patches item #600368, was opened at 2002-08-26 20:40 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600368&group_i… Category: internationalization Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: i18n fix for HTMLFormatter.py Initial Comment: In english the word "the" is gender-insensitive, but this is not the case in several other languages (at least italian and french). This patch tries to easy the translation process moving "the" from this string (<i>The %(which)s is only available to the list to the %(which)s value. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600368&group_i…

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[ mailman-Patches-594771 ] i18n support for Archiver
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Patches item #594771, was opened at 2002-08-13 21:09 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=594771&group_i… Category: Pipermail Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: i18n support for Archiver Initial Comment: I'm trying to provide changes in small chunks. This 1st patch does the following: - 7 new template files: archidxentry.html archidxhead.html archidxfoot.html archliststart.html archlistend.html archtoc.html archtocentry.html - _() marking for translatable strings - a few small bugfixes (e.g. unwanted spaces, bin/arch not calling i18n.set_language, etc.) TODO: - show translated tags for archive volumes (e.g. "2002-August", "2002q3", "Week-of-Mon-XXXX") I have 2 alternatives: renaming files and dirs where the archives are built (cleaner, but screws up everything in pre-existing archives) or build a tag-to-description translator (better, I think) - find a way to produce translated datetime strings without using locale.setlocale and time.strftime() (this is discouraged in Python manual) Here I really need some advice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Date: 2002-08-26 05:02 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=67709 I have submitted a slight change to this patch. It is uploaded in a separate patch ID. Thank you Simone for exellent work! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-14 18:49 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 And finally, this is the 3rd piece of the puzzle: dates translation. I had to reinvent the wheel, and it's an relatively expensive hack (from a computational efficiency point of view) but it works without touching pipermail.py This patch is incremental and must be applied after #2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Simone Piunno (pioppo) Date: 2002-08-13 23:38 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=227443 Here is the 2nd patch, providing the tag-to-description translator for volume tags. This patch is incremental and must be applied after patch #¹ Now the last thing is dates. I wouln'd want to reinvent the wheel.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=594771&group_i…

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[ mailman-Patches-600048 ] i18n archiver update
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Patches item #600048, was opened at 2002-08-26 04:54 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600048&group_i… Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: i18n archiver update Initial Comment: update for patch ID 594771 - _i18n_ctime() should be outside of HyperArchive class, because it is called within Article class. HyperArch.py was updated in CVS. So, first apply patches 1and 2 from 594771, discard HyperArch.py, re-install HyperArch.py from CVS and then apply this patch. Confused? I hope Barry include this in the CVS ASAP. ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Date: 2002-08-26 04:59 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=67709 You must re-generate whole archive (or at lease recent articles) by using bin/arch, because there are new class variables. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600048&group_i…

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[ mailman-Patches-600048 ] i18n archiver update
by noreply＠sourceforge.net 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

Patches item #600048, was opened at 2002-08-26 04:54 You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600048&group_i… Category: None Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Submitted By: Tokio Kikuchi (tkikuchi) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: i18n archiver update Initial Comment: update for patch ID 594771 - _i18n_ctime() should be outside of HyperArchive class, because it is called within Article class. HyperArch.py was updated in CVS. So, first apply patches 1and 2 from 594771, discard HyperArch.py, re-install HyperArch.py from CVS and then apply this patch. Confused? I hope Barry include this in the CVS ASAP. ;-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=600048&group_i…

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Disabling the use of Password totally?
by GONG Wei 25 Aug '02

25 Aug '02

Hi all, I recently demostrated the use of Mailman to my boss, who is quite impressed, except the fact that he really doesn't like the use of password in Mailman. I myself had been a mailman user for quite some time and I had no problem with the existence of password. But after he mentioned that I think to certain extent his reasoning is also valid. Instead of using password why not simply ask the user to confirm (by replying) if they want to, say, modify the digest option. From security point of view this really has no difference since anyway people can always hit the "send password to me" button. While browsing the list archive message I noticed that the problem discussed in thread: http://mail.python.org/pipermail-21/mailman-developers/2002-August/012757.ht ml http://mail.python.org/pipermail-21/mailman-developers/2002-August/012761.ht ml http://mail.python.org/pipermail-21/mailman-developers/2002-August/012762.ht ml http://mail.python.org/pipermail-21/mailman-developers/2002-August/012771.ht ml would not exist at all, if such "password based control" could be turnt off by the site administrator, if desirable. As usual, your comments are always more than welcome. Thank you! Regards ========== Gong Wei (+65 68220120, wgong(a)smu.edu.sg) Office of CIT, SMU Thawte Email Cert thumbprint: c5 84 23 68 da 18 6c 4f 57 db 42 49 55 70 74 31 4c 40 a1 52 GnuPG fingerprint: 9514 C3E9 EEF9 2117 CAA3 C438 5F27 797A D10E CB08 Visit http://www.keyserver.net/en/ for public key

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Anti-spam "killer app"?
by J C Lawrence 25 Aug '02

25 Aug '02

On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:10:45 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com> wrote: > <http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html> ... > Damn, I wish I'd thought of this. Keep thinking about it. In essence it is a merely a finer grained scoring system. It doesn't fundamentally change the spam cold war; it moves the challenge to "writing spam messages which look even more like 'real' messages" on a statistical sampling level. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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