Mailman 3 March 2003 - Mailman-Developers

Bounce removal parameters default values
by Greg Stark Oct. 23, 2003

Oct. 23, 2003

I find I am being removed from mailman mailing lists left and right. I believe the default values for the bounce removal should be reconsidered. It's possible that you haven't had many users in my situation and so haven't really had a chance to tune these parameters on the low end yet. But they clearly aren't working for me at a few sites. My particular situation is that my site has seen fit to filter viruses by refusing delivery. This causes a bounce from the remote MTA every time someone sends me an Outlook virus. Why my site administrators felt this was necessary is a question for another day, it's not like I use Outlook or like my spam filters wouldn't have thrown these messages away anyways, but whatever. The net result is that some small fraction of messages to me bounce and list management software notices this. The only reason I became aware of the problem was because ezmlm also does this type of processing but it sends a warning message before removing users. It only removes you if the warning message itself bounces. In fact it sends two such warning messages and only removes the user if *both* bounce. This provides the user with a chance to react to the first message and fix the problem -- if they ever see the message. I could beg for a similar feature in mailman, but I'm not sure it's necessary. But I am sure it's necessary to tune the bounce processing parameters. The relatively few bounces I'm generating shouldn't be causing me to get removed when all the real messages are being delivered fine. It seems the legitimate messages that are correctly delivered should reset the count of bounces to 0. Reading the source it seems it has to see DEFAULT_MAX_POSTS_BETWEEN_BOUNCES such legitimate posts between messages. I'm fairly convinced this parameter should always be 0. If any successful delivery occurs the user should never be removed due to bounces. What I don't understand is how DEFAULT_MAX_POSTS_BETWEEN_BOUNCES relates to the parameters I see in the admin. None of the parameters in the admin corresponds to this. How is it calculated? -- greg

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman password and administrative reminders
by Dan Mick Aug. 14, 2003

Aug. 14, 2003

? This very message came to me with the following header: Errors-To: mailman-developers-admin(a)python.org All my bounces come to the list admin address, set in the admin webpage, in the second field of General Options. Do you have that set to something, and bounces still come to root? > 2. Bounces are sent to the poor postmaster instead of a -admin address. > I'm not entirely certain, but I think an Errors-To: header or something > like that in all Mailman messages might allow one to distribute that load > somewhat.

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still having admin cookie problem
by Bill Bradford April 8, 2003

April 8, 2003

I'm running MM 2.1.1, and am *still* seeing the admin cookie problem - when I go to accept/discard posts that were held for moderation, select the option for each one, then hit submit - it then takes me *back* to the password entry screen, I have to enter the admin password *again*, and then do it all over and hit submit a second time before it will take effect. This has been tested and happens even with new installations of browsers that have *no* cookies stored. Suggestions? Bill -- bill bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net austin, texas

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Hi all,
by John Kromodimedjo April 2, 2003

April 2, 2003

Hi all, I am very new to Mailman. Can one of you direct me to the complete documentation of Mailman?? Thanks. John

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Confirm address change always returns error
by Stonewall Ballard March 29, 2003

March 29, 2003

In 2.1.1+ (confirmed with a fresh CVS build today), when a user replies to a confirmation message sent by Mailman in response to an email address change (on the web page), Mailman changes the address, but replies with an error (below). This confuses users. The subscribe log has entries for the new address as "pending", then as "new", with no errors or apparent problems. It seems odd to me that this hasn't been reported as a bug, since it appears to have been around for several months, at least. Or is there something broken in my Mailman installation? I'm on OS X Server 10.2.4. BTW, note the typo "you are not current a member". TIA for any help. - Stoney > The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your > original message. > > - Results: > You are not current a member. Have you already unsubscribed or changed > your email address? > > - Unprocessed: > On 3/29/03 2:32 PM, "savannounce-request(a)lists.sudburysavoyards.org" > <savannounce-request(a)lists.sudburysavoyards.org> wrote: >> Mailing list subscription confirmation notice for mailing list >> SavAnnounce >> >> We have received a request for subscription of your email address, >> "abc(a)stonetics.com", to the savannounce(a)lists.sudburysavoyards.org >> mailing list. To confirm that you want to be added to this mailing >> list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header >> intact. Or visit this web page: >> >> >> http://lists.sudburysavoyards.org/mailman/confirm/savannounce/df640af0ac9e9…>> f >> 5df1b2a2b1caea98bfa55e1d >> >> >> Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a >> message to savannounce-request(a)lists.sudburysavoyards.org: >> >> confirm df640af0ac9e917f5df1b2a2b1caea98bfa55e1d >> >> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from >> most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the >> right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay). > > - Ignored: >> >> If you do not wish to be subscribed from this list, please simply >> disregard this message. If you think you are being maliciously >> subscribed to the list, or have any other questions, send them to >> savannounce-owner(a)lists.sudburysavoyards.org. -- Stonewall Ballard stoney(a)sb.org http://stoney.sb.org/

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mailman admin documentation site down?
by Paul Mansfield March 29, 2003

March 29, 2003

http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/ is a link on http://www.list.org/docs.html the site appears down, and recent postings to this list don't appear to have said it already. does anyone have a mirror for this? thanks Paul

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Problems mailing to the list
by ljacobs March 28, 2003

March 28, 2003

Folks -- Somehow this bogus address got entered into one of my lists. It was not obvious that this individual had entered this address or that it was being stored incorrectly, but while trying to understand why I was having problems with this list, I discovered this address, with quotes & all: "pgyallay"@keap@fone.net I have since deleted this address. Now in the error file, when I was attempting to mail to this moderator-only list, I would get the following: Mar 27 16:36:56 2003 (27183) Uncaught runner exception: Mar 27 16:36:56 2003 (27183) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop self._onefile(msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 155, in _onefile keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 212, in process raise Errors.SomeRecipientsFailed(tempfailures, permfailures) SomeRecipientsFailed Mar 27 16:36:56 2003 (27183) SHUNTING: 1041577349.329875+47c1c7b9cd44c3e755ed5dc3549ab225ed1a848f I do not understand the python error message, but does it seem like this error might be related to the attempt to mail the bogus address? And is it possible that having this address wedged in my list would prevent other members to receive emails from ths list? That does appear to be the symptom, i.e., a very small number of subscribers received my last few mailings, and in fact when investigating the config.db with dumpb.db, it looked like most of the subscribers addressed had been flagged as bounced! I then tried to remove all members from the list, but the remove_members command failed to remove all the members even though they all received a remove message! I had forgotten to change the "do not email the members when removed/unsubscribed"! I understand there is a version of Mailman that prevents future subscriptions with bogus addresses, but does anyone think my problem with not being able to send messages to the entire list (8,600 members) is related to that bad address? Thanks for any help and suggestions. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMessaging system at mandala-designs.com

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[Mailman-Developers] How to change web appearances on Listinfo, ListAdmin
by Feng Jeffrey March 26, 2003

March 26, 2003

Hi, I've installed Mailman on our server and it works beautifully, but one thing people at our site want is to make the appearance of the index page "listinfo" look similar to the web pages on our site. Is there a way to do that? I found out I can change the appearances of the mail lists by changing the template files. Thanks in advance. Jeffrey ********************************************************************** Jeffrey Y. Feng Computing Services Whittier College Email: yfeng(a)whittier.edu **********************************************************************

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Another "uncaught bounce" that should have been (Martin Maechler)
by Donal Hunt March 25, 2003

March 25, 2003

The attachment doesn't seem to be available: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/attachments/20030325/3f… Is there a reason for that? Regards Donal DCU mailman-developers-request(a)python.org wrote: > > Send Mailman-Developers mailing list submissions to > mailman-developers(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-developers-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-developers-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Developers digest..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Today's Topics: > > 1. Another "uncaught bounce" that should have been (Martin Maechler) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [Mailman-Developers] > Another "uncaught bounce" that should have been > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:56:48 +0100 > From: Martin Maechler <maechler(a)stat.math.ethz.ch> > To: mailman-developers <mailman-developers(a)python.org> > > {Mailman 2.1.1} > > I hope this continues to help improving the already good mailman > software! > Martin > >

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[Mailman-Developers] Another "uncaught bounce" that should have been
by Martin Maechler March 25, 2003

March 25, 2003

{Mailman 2.1.1} I hope this continues to help improving the already good mailman software! Martin

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