Mailman 3 July 2003 - Mailman-Developers

Interfacing to Mailman data
by Kevin McCann 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

Hi Barry, Hope you had a good vacation. A while ago I mentioned that I was interfacing with Mailman (via PHP) by issuing the /bin commands and parsing the results. As you pointed out, that may not be very efficient, but my rationale is that your scripts are doing the "behind the scenes" things which I want to rely on. A non-parsing but still relevant example: I think you do database locking when, say, creating a new list. For me, the extra process in firing up the /bin command is negligible. It would be nice to not have to parse unwieldy output, though. What about having interface-friendly versions of these commands? So, instead of executing the /bin/list_lists command and getting ... 6 matching mailing lists found: Administrivia - Discussions pertaining to cruciverb web site cruciverb-l - Crossword Constructors Discussion List cwml - Crossword Markup Language List Mailman - [no description available] BQ-Newsletter - The Broken Cue Newsletter Testing - [no description available] ... I could instead execute a different command and get a comma-delimited list: Administrivia,cruciverb-l,cwml,Mailman,BQ-Newsletter,Testing or, get more info if required, such as name, security, description, one record per line: Administrivia,0,Discussions pertaining to cruciverb web site cruciverb-l,0,Crossword Constructors Discussion List cwml,1,Crossword Markup Language List Mailman,0,[no description available] Newsletter,0,The Broken Cue Newsletter Testing,1,[no description available] And it would be most sublime to be able to issue the list_config command and have it work with stdin/stdout instead of files and using the same kind of delimited layout as shown above. I know you're a busy guy. So how can I help? I'm not a Python programmer yet but I'm willing to become one to get these kinds of things to happen. Could you help me get started by indicating what files I would need to copy and then modify to, say, create an interface-friendly version of list_lists? Best, Kevin McCann

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draft-moore-auto-email-response-01 (fwd)
by J C Lawrence 29 Jul '03

29 Jul '03

From: Keith Moore <moore(a)cs.utk.edu> Newsgroups: gmane.ietf.rfc822 Subject: draft-moore-auto-email-response-01 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:10:07 -0400 After over a year's delay, I've finally revised my recommendations for automatic email responders. I just sent them to the internet-draft folks (in both text and PDF for the ASCII-impaired). Or you can get the preprint at any of: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/I-D/draft-moore-auto-email-response-01.txt http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/I-D/draft-moore-auto-email-response-01.ps http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/I-D/draft-moore-auto-email-response-01.pdf I've tried to address the comments that were made when the -00 version came out (well, those I didn't totally disagree with :), but the changes are too numerous for me to summarize at this point. Keith

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Hotmail - claims mail loop
by mch＠cix.compulink.co.uk 29 Jul '03

29 Jul '03

'Scuse me asking in mailman-developers, but I think it's where I'm most likely to get an answer. I'm running a list on mailman 2.0.6 with what I think is a generic setup - it's on the machine of a small ISP and not under my control. [CC: support(a)gn.apc.org - who will be as interested as I to find out what's going on.] A subset of users(a)hotmail.com are generating error messages as below. I have looked in the archive and found the HellMail thread in mailman-users. But this list isn't set up like the one discussed there. It has: "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it..." = FALSE "Where are replies to list messages directed?" = This list A default-setting Hotmail account <uksubstest(a)hotmail.com> that I set up for testing received the welcome message and four subsequent messages OK, then bounced as recorded below. Hotmail claims a loop, but I see no evidence of one... though it does seem to be bouncing around a lot inside the ISP's machines. One odd thing is that there are 27 hotmail users subscribed, and only the 15 listed below are bouncing. Other lists that I run on the same host have the same settings as above and seemed to be getting through to hotmail last week, though they're much lower-traffic. Can someone who understand SMTP properly scan the following and provide me with a clue? Is the only answer to direct replies to the individual sender, and attempt to indoctrinate users with the resulting changes? (These are sub-editors - line-editors in Westpondian - so they're not all very good at precise readings when not paid so to be!) Mike Holderness -x------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-From_: uksubs-l-admin(a)gn.apc.org Mon Jul 28 20:55:02 2003 Return-Path: <uksubs-l-admin(a)gn.apc.org> Delivered-To: uksubs-l-admin(a)seven.gn.apc.org Delivered-To: uksubs-l-admin(a)gn.apc.org From: postmaster(a)mail.hotmail.com To: uksubs-l-admin(a)gn.apc.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:54:50 -0700 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org Sender: uksubs-l-owner(a)gn.apc.org Errors-To: uksubs-l-owner(a)gn.apc.org X-BeenThere: uksubs-l(a)gn.apc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 List-Help: <mailto:uksubs-l-request@gn.apc.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:uksubs-l@gn.apc.org> List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/uksubs-l>, <mailto:uksubs-l-request@gn.apc.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Sub-editors discuss terms, conditions and work <uksubs-l.gn.apc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/uksubs-l>, <mailto:uksubs-l-request@gn.apc.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/private/uksubs-l/> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. USER1(a)hotmail.com USER2(a)hotmail.com USER3(a)hotmail.com USER4(a)hotmail.com USER5(a)hotmail.com USER6(a)hotmail.com USER7(a)hotmail.com USER8(a)hotmail.com USER9(a)hotmail.com USERa(a)hotmail.com USERb(a)hotmail.com USERc(a)hotmail.com USERd(a)hotmail.com uksubstest(a)hotmail.com Reporting-MTA: dns;mc7-s1.law1.hotmail.com Received-From-MTA: dns;mc7-f40.law1.hotmail.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:54:50 -0700 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER1(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER2(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER3(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER4(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER5(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER6(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER7(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER8(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USER9(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USERa(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USERb(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USERc(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;USERd(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;uksubstest(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Received: from mc7-f40.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.47]) by mc7-s1.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:54:50 -0700 Received: from mail.gn.apc.org ([213.55.2.205]) by mc7-f40.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:54:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.2]) by mail.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39ACA14B68E; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:54:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.gn.apc.org ([192.168.0.1]) by localhost (blue [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18436-19; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:50:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from seven.gn.apc.org (greennet2.poptel.org.uk [213.55.2.207]) by mail.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27D814B6D7; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:54:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from seven.gn.apc.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by seven.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E8D4748; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:54:02 +0100 (BST) Delivered-To: uksubs-l(a)seven.gn.apc.org Received: from mail.gn.apc.org (greennet1.poptel.org.uk [213.55.2.205]) by seven.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2400C4745 for <uksubs-l(a)seven.gn.apc.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.2]) by mail.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AE014B68D for <uksubs-l(a)seven.gn.apc.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.gn.apc.org ([192.168.0.1]) by localhost (blue [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11966-01 for <uksubs-l(a)seven.gn.apc.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:31:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from seven.gn.apc.org (greennet2.poptel.org.uk [213.55.2.207]) by mail.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1A514B5D4 for <uksubs-l(a)seven.gn.apc.org>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.gn.apc.org (greennet1.poptel.org.uk [213.55.2.205]) by seven.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650FC4745 for <uksubs-l(a)mailman.greennet.org.uk>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:13 +0100 (BST) Received: by mail.gn.apc.org (Postfix) id 9294614B68E; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:15 +0100 (BST) Delivered-To: uksubs-l(a)gn.apc.org Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.0.2]) by mail.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8101414B5D4 for <uksubs-l(a)gn.apc.org>; 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Re: [Mailman-Developers] LDAP authentication support
by J C Lawrence 28 Jul '03

28 Jul '03

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:30:21 -0700 Rich Ramos <lists(a)RichRamos.com> wrote: > In looking through the archives I have seen much discussion on LDAP > but nothing the really says if and when LDAP authentication will be > integrated. Nobody has written either a patch or roster-plugin yet. Care to write one? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Announce] [Fwd: [Mailman-cabal] Linux Expo UK 2003 - .Org Villag...
by Workonly3126＠aol.com 28 Jul '03

28 Jul '03

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question about using the email interface.
by Mike Lucas 28 Jul '03

28 Jul '03

Sorry for another dumb question, I am new to mailman and listservers in general. I was testing the moderation of a list and noticed that when the owner got a message saying that a new message was needing to be approved. It would not have the right subject or reply to fields for me to just hit the reply button and add "approved password" to the body. When i hit reply i have to then copy and paste the subject line from the attachment and the to field from the attacment also. So, my question is, where can i change this so it will let me just hit the reply button and either leave it as is to delete the mail or add Approved password to release it to the list. Thanks for the help, Mike

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About unadvertised lists
by Marco Antonio Reis Henriques 28 Jul '03

28 Jul '03

Hi ALL ! Folks, how do I create an unadvertised list (a list that don't appear in the list info page) ? Cheers, Marco

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Expire information for Invitations and Confirmations
by John A. Martin 26 Jul '03

26 Jul '03

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LDAP authentication support
by Rich Ramos 26 Jul '03

26 Jul '03

In looking through the archives I have seen much discussion on LDAP but nothing the really says if and when LDAP authentication will be integrated. This thread started talking about LDAP integration and turned into Barry saying that there would be some sort of CMS integration in 3.0. <http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers@python.org/msg06163.h tml> And there seems to be some kind of alpha version of LDAP member adaptor that allows for "population" of list membership from and LDAP server. <http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers@python.org/msg05769.h tml> However,... We currently have a Domino server and want to integrate it with Mailman mailing lists, but don't want users to have to keep two separate user ids and passwords. Any plans on integrating mailman with LDAP authentication? -Rich

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moderating with umbrella lists
by marisa＠stat.umn.edu 26 Jul '03

26 Jul '03

I am running mailman 2.1.2. I needed to update to this version in order to have the option for: "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically" working to allow users from my system to write to a set of lists without moderator's approval. My expression to filter users is: ^.*(a)stat.umn.edu Now that this works I am experimenting with "umbrella" lists. I set up the -owner option in all lists, umbrella list and sublists. Mail from people from my domain "cascades" well trough all the lists but mail from people from other domains which require moderator's action for the initial umbrella list seems to require moderator's action as well in all the sublists. I understand from the documentation that I can set up the lists in a way such that once I approve a messages from a user who is not in the .stat.umn.edu domain for the umbrella list, the messages should "cascade" to the others because of the CC and TO fields. But I can not get this to work! What am I doing wrong? Bellow is a description of my settings. In a set of lists nested as: umbrella | | umbrella1 umbrella2 | | | | people1 people2 people1 people2 I set in all lists the -owner notification option and include the sublists as members. In each sublist I have the field: "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)? " set to "Yes" I also set the umbrella list(s) names for each given sublist in: "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list. " For example in the list called "people1" which For example in the list called "people1" which is a sublist of umbrella1 and umbrella2 this looks like: ^umbrella1(a)stat.umn.edu ^umbrella2(a)stat.umn.edu ^umbrella(a)stat.umn.edu I also did a try with ^.*(a)stat.umn.edu and without the ^ character, etc. etc. I hope I may be having a problem with how I define expressions for Phyton and I do not need to upgrade again! -- ;) Can any one please help me? Thank you. -- Marisa Riviere U of M - Statistics marisa(a)stat.umn.edu 612-624-5859

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