Mailman 3 July 2004 - Mailman-Developers

Alternate user (and admin) interfaces (Ian Bicking)
by Felipe Fonseca / izq 18 Jul '04

18 Jul '04

> 2. Alternate user (and admin) interfaces (Ian Bicking) > 3. Re: Alternate user (and admin) interfaces (Fil) > 4. Re: Alternate user (and admin) interfaces (Adam Steer) > 5. Re: Alternate user (and admin) interfaces (Thomas Hochstein) > 6. Relocating a list (Nigel Metheringham) > 7. Re: Relocating a list (Brad Knowles) > > I've been searching around for people's experiences implementing > alternate web interfaces for Mailman, but I've been surprised not to > find much. I was thinking about a full frontend redesign for discussion lists using mailman, perhaps integrated to a CMS like xoops or alike, allowing people to: * post to the mailing list, fetching the username and sender email with the cms user base. * display list archives using the same layout formatting as the rest of a cms-maintained website. * reply to any message from the list * manage mailing lists: display, subscribe, choose digest mode, unsubscribe, from each available list * search inside the archives. All of it with an integrated, object-oriented, interface design; Yeah, guess I'm trying to create a free egrous.com. Anyone interested? I'm not a coder, so can't do much about it. ffff

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membership list count in headers?
by Marc MERLIN 17 Jul '04

17 Jul '04

I got a request for adding the membership count of a list as a header of each message posted, in order to remind posters how many people's time they are potentially wasting :) https://mailmanhost/mailman/admin/misc-mv/?VARHELP=nondigest/msg_header doesn't seem to show such a variable Is there on that is hidden, or could that be added to the wish list? Thanks Marc -- "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f(a)merlins.org for PGP key

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New command-line tool...
by Brad Knowles 16 Jul '04

16 Jul '04

Folks, A modified version of the "discard" tool has been created and uploaded to <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=992621&group_id=10…>. I believe that this may be useful for other sites who run command-line-only mailing lists. If there is sufficient interest in this tool and people think that this is useful, I'll be glad to create an entry for it in the FAQ and to make an appropriate announcement on the mailman-users mailing list. Either way, I'd be interested to hear any comments anyone may have regarding this tool. Thanks! -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles(a)skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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RE: [Mailman-Developers] interface dreams
by John.Airey＠rnib.org.uk 16 Jul '04

16 Jul '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:fehwalker@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2004 20:13 > To: Mailman Developers > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] interface dreams > > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:59:24 +0200, Fil <fil(a)rezo.net> wrote: > > > > However there's something that could be very useful, that > would be "search > > fuzzy matches", for instance if <mr.bean(a)rezo.net> writes > to me saying > > that he needs to be unsubscribed, I can't easily locate his > subscription if > > it's under <bean(a)mail.rezo.net>. Any idea on how to do this? > > The Find Member function on the Membership List admin page supports > regex, which is likely as fuzzy as you'll get without hacking your own > stuff on. If you searched on bean, or even more precisely > bean@.*rezo.net, you should get back either address. > > There's also ~mailman/bin/find_members for site admins, which will do > similar matches across some or all lists on a machine. Useful for > dealing with users who can't read and insist on sending "TAKE ME OFF > YOUR LIST!11!11" messages to majordomo-owner on the 1st of each month. > You mean mailman-owner I hope. I get it all the time. Fortunately we don't have big lists and our biggest list (5000+) just left. However, I suspect they'll be back when they realise that their external service is pants. -- John Airey, BSc (Jt Hons), CNA, RHCE Internet systems support officer, ITCSD, Royal National Institute of the Blind, Bakewell Road, Peterborough PE2 6XU, Tel.: +44 (0) 1733 375299 Fax: +44 (0) 1733 370848 John.Airey(a)rnib.org.uk I don't know which is worse. The makers of soap operas thinking they portray real life or those that watch them thinking it is real life! -- DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RNIB. RNIB Registered Charity Number: 226227 Website: http://www.rnib.org.uk

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interface dreams
by Fil 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

As a list admin, I dream of a roster interface that would help me go fast when I have 10 people to subscribe and 10 to remove because they don't know better than "Reply"-ing to me. I can make it up with php, with a box for search, another for "add users", another for "remove users", and so on ("change address"). However there's something that could be very useful, that would be "search fuzzy matches", for instance if <mr.bean(a)rezo.net> writes to me saying that he needs to be unsubscribed, I can't easily locate his subscription if it's under <bean(a)mail.rezo.net>. Any idea on how to do this? -- Fil

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] interface dreams
by J C Lawrence 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:59:24 +0200 fil <fil(a)rezo.net> wrote: > However there's something that could be very useful, that would be > "search fuzzy matches", for instance if <mr.bean(a)rezo.net> writes to > me saying that he needs to be unsubscribed, I can't easily locate his > subscription if it's under <bean(a)mail.rezo.net>. Any idea on how to do > this? When I used to do this it was by a grep against list_members ala $ list_members foo | grep -i "^name@.*dom\\.ain\\$" However a few too many cases of name(a)xxx.dom.ain turning out to represent a different human from name(a)yyy.dom.ain persuaded me that this was a Really Bad Idea. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Bug (stop delivery on all lists) in 2.0.14
by Silviu Marin-Caea 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Upon receiving a message like bellow (and similar messages) that are virus social engineering without the viral payload, mailman, specifically qrunner, chokes for good, and does not deliver any message that follows, on any list. There's the relevant excerpt from error log bellow. I still have the .msg and .db files that, if moved to /var/lib/mailman/qfiles, can reproduce the error, always. They're here: ftp://ftp.genesys.ro/upload/mailman-error System is SUSE Openexchange Server 8, but it happened on SUSE LINUX 8.0 Professional too, which used mailman 2.0.x. From zoltank67(a)hotmail.com Thu Jun 24 22:42:00 2004 Return-Path: <zoltank67(a)hotmail.com> Delivered-To: networking-request(a)genesys.ro Received: from mail.genesys.ro (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.genesys.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373B96BA85 for <networking-request(a)genesys.ro>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:42:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: by mail.genesys.ro (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 24F906E21E; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:42:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay8-f8.bay8.hotmail.com [64.4.27.8]) by mail.genesys.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D926E21A for <networking-request(a)genesys.ro>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:41:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:41:55 -0700 Received: from 80.97.222.9 by by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:41:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [80.97.222.9] X-Originating-Email: [zoltank67(a)hotmail.com] X-Sender: zoltank67(a)hotmail.com From: "Keresztes Zoltan" <zoltank67(a)hotmail.com> To: networking-request(a)genesys.ro Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:41:55 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <BAY8-F8Y9IuXZ2y2Fko000034a2(a)hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jun 2004 19:41:55.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E4338C0:01C45A23] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on mail.genesys.ro X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-BitDefender-Scanner: Clean, Agent: BitDefender POSTFIX 1.5.7 on mail confirm 641541 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): kids = main(lock) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg , msgdata) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommand Handler.py", line 163, in ParseMailCommands Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): splitsubj = string.split(subject) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): File "/usr/lib/python2.2/string.py", line 117, in split Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): return s.split(sep, maxsplit) Jun 25 13:18:55 2004 qrunner(9964): AttributeError : 'NoneType' object has no a ttribute 'split'

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Alternate user (and admin) interfaces
by Adam Steer 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

have a look at http://lists.alia.org.au It's been alot of work, mainly because I'm not a Python programmer, or really a programmer at all. Our aim was to produce a look-and-feel consistent with the rest of our site, and also try to achieve our advertised levels of HTML/CSS compliance [yeah, still using HTML] - and have the thing integrate with some internal info we keep about our lists. The interface has been made by hacking the templates we use, then digging deeper and making changes to the htmlformatting scripts, and some of the Gui scripts, and more. Our archives are still in the dark ages, but we're messing around with MHonArc to achieve what we want there [and have a config file as long as your arm...] Some people have made patches that allow modification in far better Python than mine, I'm sure [ in fact someone posted here recently about 'skinning mailman']. My aim is to keep chipping away until I understand Mailman well enough to take all the formatting away from Mailman and make it call page components when it needs to. Much more Python study to do! MM 2.1.x seems lots better than 2.0, but it's still not too easy [for a gumby Python hacker] to change the way MM looks. I'm happy to provide more detail for anyone who might be keen to find out what it took. Also, we've got 2.1.5 running on SuSE [8.2 and 9.1]- and we're happy to share config information about getting that done, too. Just a long --config away, really. cheers Adam. -- Adam Steer Web publishing officer Australian Library and Information Association adam.steer(a)alia.org.au http://alia.org.au +61 2 6215 8234 >>> Ian Bicking <ianb(a)colorstudy.com> - 15/7/04 7:07 AM >>> I've been searching around for people's experiences implementing alternate web interfaces for Mailman, but I've been surprised not to find much.

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How to export memberlist to file
by Nick vd Kloor ＠ FOR-Nation 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Hi all, not sure anymore if there is a function or parameter to get your whole memberlist in a textfile. Does anyone know? Thanx in advance, Nick

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to export memberlist to file
by J C Lawrence 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Nadim Shaikli <shaikli(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > It would be nice if 'list_members' also listed all the other secondary > info to ease exports/imports and/or list moves, You can use with-list for that. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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