Mailman 3 February 2005 - Mailman-Developers

bin/update slowness fix
by pabs Feb. 19, 2005

Feb. 19, 2005

Hi mailman devs, listworkers, We recently upgraded lists.indymedia.org from version 2.1.4 to 2.1.5[0]. We soon found that update_pending in the update script was a little slow [1] (taking a couple of minutes to complete each list, for a total of 22 hours or so - we have > 1000 lists). Long story short, here[2] is a patch that we used to speed that up to 0-2 seconds per list (against mm 2.1.6b3). It isn't exactly correct, because I wasn't able to work out how to call private members of MailList subclasses quickly and the priority was just to get the upgrade done, but it does work. I really think that either it, or a properly done patch (with no code duplication) should go into the upcoming release of 2.1.6. 0. This was debian 2.1.4-5 to 2.1.5-6 btw. 1. A quote from the script: # This is not the most efficient way to do this because it loads and # saves the pending.pck file each time. :( 2. http://sf.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1124510&group_id=103&atid=300103 PS: We've some other patches too that may or may not be useful, please visit http://lists.indymedia.org/patches/index.en.html and let us know if you would like us to update them for 2.1.7/2.2 (and non-debian). -- bye, pabs http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Main/PaulWise

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to get Sender Id from the Mailing List where the annoymous option is set
by Brad Knowles Feb. 17, 2005

Feb. 17, 2005

At 3:57 AM -0800 2005-02-08, vijayan p wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to obtain the statistics of > which member has posted how many messages. I think you'd have to look at the incoming messages in the MTA logs, before they get handed off to Mailman. But keep in mind that Mailman does not have any facility for creating or monitoring statistics, unless you want to create a script to do that. > Also is there a way to know who has posted a > particular mail. Basically the same issue. -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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new on list.
by Maat Feb. 17, 2005

Feb. 17, 2005

hi all, I'm new on this list. hope i will be able to help (little and very humble patches). first i'm wondering : the cvs tree @sourceforge seems to be out of date... have i smoked something too stong for me or am i right ? if i'm right where is the true tree please ? grtx Pascal -- Pascal Vilarem <maat(a)vilarem.net> "Alterius non sit qui suus esse potest"

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Fwd: [NOSI discussion] Same planet, different worlds
by Tobias Eigen Feb. 17, 2005

Feb. 17, 2005

As promised - a message I posted this morning to the Nonprofit Open Source Initiative discussion list (see http://www.nosi.net for details on NOSI). Let me know, perhaps off-list if this discussion is starting to seem a bit off-topic, if you are interested in getting involved in this. Check out http://www.penguinday.org for info about Penguin Day, which is taking place this year a day after the Nonprofit Technology Conference (http://www.nten.org/ntc). I will be at both events and look forward to opportunities to talk to people about Mailman usability and replicating Yahoogroups-like functionality using open source. Best wishes, Tobias -- Tobias Eigen Executive Director Kabissa - Space for Change in Africa http://www.kabissa.org * Kabissa's vision is for a socially, economically, politically, and environmentally vibrant Africa, supported by a strong network of effective civil society organizations. * Begin forwarded message: > From: Tobias Eigen <tobias(a)kabissa.org> > Date: February 17, 2005 11:51:45 AM EST > To: nosi-discussion(a)nosi.net > Subject: Re: [NOSI discussion] Same planet, different worlds > >> On a related note, how many of you will be at NTC next month and the >> associated Penguin Day Chicago on the following Saturday? > > Ah! So that's when it's going to be! I've been waiting for news via > penguinday.org... now I can book my flight! > >> Anyone got something really profound or eye-poppingly cool that you >> want to demo, discuss, or proclaim at PD? > > For Kabissa, I've been tracking and actively participating in lots of > discussions about yahoogroups and replicating the best aspects of it > using open source. I would be really interested in taking advantage of > Penguin Day to raise awareness of the need for this and to generate > momentum to raise funds, find partners and recruit developers to work > on it. > > While alot of great work is being done on open source list managers > and on discussion forums/web collaboration tools, there is not much > progress being made on bringing the two together in an open source > project that can be replicated and made broadly useful by many > organizations. It's happening, but piecemeal and in the meantime it's > a shame to subject ordinary people to Mailman's web interfaces (try > accessing the private archives for the NOSI discussion list and you'll > see what I'm talking about) and to not properly take advantage of the > dynamic and empowering effect of connecting people through their > mailboxes as well as through a beautiful community Web site. For > Kabissa it's incredibly important because the people in Africa we > serve pay dearly for their Internet connection and we want to empower > them to make the most of their limited time oline. > > Now there seems to be a particularly grand opportunity because a bunch > of things are coming together at the same time: > > 1) Mambo was awarded a Product Excellence Award at LinuxWorld this > week (http://www.mamboserver.com) - one of the things that makes Mambo > excellent is that it can be easily extended using optional components, > and it's easy to create and share components > 2) Opendgroups is being developed to share the functionality of the > already successful dgroups.org service using open source (see > http://www.opendgroups.net). One of the models being considered is a > Mailman/Drupal integration. > 3) Mailman developers are recognizing the need for making its web > interfaces more usable (see > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ > msg08628.html and subsequent onslaught of messages). > 4) Mail2forum, a phpbb add-on that provides bidirectional email/list > support, is now at v1.0 RC2. (http://www.mail2forum.com) - m2f > developers claim it can be easily ported to other forums and welcome a > project team to port it to another forum that integrates better with > Mambo (see http://www.mail2forum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=796). > 5) Alot of reputable, open source friendly web developers are using > Mambo - i.e. Sangonet in South Africa (http://www.sn.apc.org) and > Picnet (http://www.picnet.net - also will be at NTC). Picnet is > interested in developing a CAN-SPAM act compliant Mambo newsletter > component (http://www.picnet.net). This could complement an integrated > forum component nicely and share code with it to interact with a list > manager like Mailman. > 6) Kabissa's interest in all of this is that we want to deepen the > impact of our programs by integrating and improving our existing > online offerings through the development of a new integrated Web site. > We have 850 member organizations throughout Africa that are seeking to > make better use of ICT for the benefit of their communities, and many > of them are hosting their Web sites and domain names on Kabissa, > participating in our Time To Get Online training program, and finding > each other online through our member contact directory, bulletin board > and mailing lists. Having bidirectional functionality for newsletters > and discussion groups integrated into our site will really help us to > deliver on our promise to the African civil society sector. This user > group also provides a great source of willing volunteers for pilot > testing. > 7) Kabissa is also involved in developing a community Web site for the > Africa Democracy Forum (http://www.africademocracyforum) which > currently interacts primarily through a Yahoo Group and face-to-face > meetings. We are planning to work with the ADF to move their Yahoo > Group to a Mambo-integrated forum, where we can then do alot more to > help ADF members to interact online, discuss key topics and share > information about opportunities. One of the key requirements for the > forum is to have bidirectional email support, in part also to ease the > pain of migrating from yahoogroups. > > Sorry for the lengthy list - I'm throwing this out there for > discussion. I'm sure I and others on this list could come up with even > more ideas. :-) If we could bring together a group at Penguin Day to > discuss some of these different pieces of the puzzle perhaps we could > come up with a collaborative plan for producing a very useful and > broadly replicable open source product. > > Cheers, > > Tobias

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Re: [Mailman-Users] from field with real name
by Tokio Kikuchi Feb. 17, 2005

Feb. 17, 2005

Hi, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Stefan Hofmeir wrote: > >>the sender (from field) of a newsletter list should be the address of >>the list (anonymous_list = yes). >> >>previous from field (of the test list "mailman"): >>From: mailman(a)testdomain.de >> >>How it is possible to sent also a real name like >>From: "list ABC <mailman(a)testdomain.de>" in every newsletter? > > > You have to hack Mailman/Handlers/Cleanse.py to do this. > It sounded like a reasonablly small and nice hack request so I inserted a few steps of code in Cleanse.py. I used internal_name instead of real_name though. It was checked in CVS and will be in 2.1.6 soon. Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to get the sender id when the list is set to annoymous mode
by Tokio Kikuchi Feb. 17, 2005

Feb. 17, 2005

Hi, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:06 AM -0800 2005-02-15, vijayan p wrote: > >> I would like to know if as a administrator, is there a >> way i can get the senders email id for the messages >> posted. > > > If you have access to the server logs, you can track them by > message-id. It should be easy to track the original poster of anonymous list, so I added a function to log anonymizing action in post log. Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/

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[Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Announce] Critical security update for Mailman 2.1.5 and earlier [origin: mailman-developers-owner@python.org]]
by Barry Warsaw Feb. 17, 2005

Feb. 17, 2005

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Sprinting at Pycon 2005
by Barry Warsaw Feb. 16, 2005

Feb. 16, 2005

I encourage everyone who wants to help speed Mailman3 progress to join us at Pycon 2005 for a Mailman 3 sprint. Here's the sprint page: http://www.python.org/moin/Mailman3Sprint If you're coming, please add your name to the list. I think we can make some significant progress if we get enough people. I'm willing to talk about how to improve the process so more people can contribute. Pycon2005 is in Washington DC March 23-25, 2005. While there is a fee for the main conference, there are 4 days of planned sprints from March 19-22 and these are free. I am currently planning on attending the entire conference, including all 4 sprint days, and I'd be happy to sprint on MM3 the whole time. -Barry

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RE: making Mailman CAN-SPAM compliant (was Re:[Mailman-Developers] Hashing member passwords in config.pck)
by Brad Knowles Feb. 16, 2005

Feb. 16, 2005

At 11:28 AM -0400 2005-02-16, Adrian Bye wrote: > We've previously had conversations about some Yahoo groups >functionality which > you said wasn't possible: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp Indeed, we have. > Yesterday I contributed patches which enables Mailman to have this exact > functionality which we borrowed from Yahoo Groups. Yet I've seen no response > from you yet, and only one half dismissive response from another mailman > developer. I've been waiting to see what Barry, Tokio, or one of the other core developers think of these patches. Keep in mind that they are exceptionally busy people, and it may take a long time for them to be able to take a look at them. I have not yet had a chance to look at them myself. I've been focused on putting together my own little script to assist in the day-to-day site administration tasks for running a Mailman mailing list server, one of the few areas where I can see that Mailman can use improvement, and where my previous experience and limited scripting skills can be put to good use in helping to make this situation better. Well, at least better for me, and then contribute the patch to SourceForge so that others can take a look at it and see if it's useful for them. My hope is that this might be able to be incorporated into future versions of Mailman as well. So, you take me to task for not having yet posted an exhaustive analysis of your patch, but I don't see a comment from you on my script. Can we call it even? > Mailman CAN be as good - and better - than Yahoo Groups. It doesn't > have to take lots of money and resources. Just being willing to accept > our code a piece at a time, and encouraging those who contribute will > go a long way towards getting there. You are right that Mailman can be better than Yahoo!Groups. I don't think you're going to make Mailman better than Yahoo!Groups in every respect, at least not without spending a lot of money. But we can continue to take steps towards that goal. That said, we do gladly accept contributions, but since this is a non-profit open source project which is maintained in what little spare time that people have, you have to accept that it may take a while for the contributions to be reviewed and analyzed by the appropriate people. As for Tobias' contributions to Mailman, he has already given us quite a lot, and has a great deal more that has been done for his own site and which I believe he is happy to contribute to the project. I look forward to continuing to work with him in the future. However, just because I've agreed to work with him in doing Mailman administration for his site and I will try to do what I can to help him get better integration between Mailman and an amazingly wide variety of other projects, and hopefully be able to bring this experience back to the Mailman project, that doesn't necessarily mean that I will always agree with him 100% -- either in private or public. You should not make any assumptions about general attitudes towards all possible future contributions from the community or third parties, based on a single response. In this particular matter, I was talking about the current capabilities of Mailman, not where we hope to ultimately be able to take it. > There may be some disagreement on the unsubscribe styff, but the > header/footer handling only benefits everyone. I certainly hope that > the mailman team will be responsive, and accept these patches and > integrate them into the codebase. From my side we'll do whatever it > takes to make that happen. Just tell us what we have to do. That's great news! However, we do ask that you give the core developers a little time to look over your contribution and make their analysis. -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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bug in mailman 2.1.6b2
by Fil Feb. 16, 2005

Feb. 16, 2005

Hi, I just installed Mailman from CVS two days ago, and on a new list I just created I'm hit by a bug : http://listes.rezo.net/mailman/admin/spip-trac/privacy/sender Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6b2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. the error log is attached -- Fil

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