Mailman 3 March 2010 - Mailman-Developers

before next release: disable backscatter in default installation
by Jo Rhett 07 Nov '22

07 Nov '22

Hi. There's a fairly simple problem here that needs to be addressed. And it's mostly a documentation/install problem. I'm hoping we can get this resolved before the next release. PROBLEM: Mailman comes out of the box ready to backscatter spam people. Yes, it's easy enough to fix. But because it comes stock this way, and is documented to install this way, most people install it to do this. Those of us who work in abuse departments are tired of hearing "well that's how Mailman works". We also object to having to teach people how to fix their mailman installations because it's not documented in the current manual. This is *exactly* like Sendmail 14 years ago. We didn't accept it then, and Sendmail fixed the problem. RESOLUTION: Mailman default installation should not backscatter in a default configuration. 1. Don't create backscatter aliases for subscribe/unsubscribe/etc by default. Nearly everyone uses web based signup. 2. Discard or hold messages from non-subscribers by default. I would think that it would be perfectly reasonable to have documentation on how to enable the 1980s-style -request / -subscribe etc aliases. However this documentation should have a note that this is against the AUP of nearly every network provider, and enabling it will likely cause them to get listed in various blacklists as a backscatter source. FYI: I know that this goes against the instincts of many old-time mailing list advocates here. But after dealing with a 10k/hour backscatter DoS my tolerance for this problem is understandably limited. Yes, it was a sweet day back in the 1980s. I was running a mailing list server and several UUCP gateways at the time, so I remember them well. But those days are past, and we need to deal with the reality of today. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness

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Feature request for Mailman 3: Ability to perform all admin functions from gmail
by Brian J Mingus 29 Mar '10

29 Mar '10

Hello, I moderate the Connectionists mailing list which has ~5,000 subscribers. Unfortunately I do not have control over the server hardware and the admin interface is extremely slow. Thus, I would like to be able to simply reply to each e-mail sent to connectionists-owner to accept, discard, etc each e-mail. Unfortunately gmail does not parse out the attachment correctly and so I can't do this. I realize many of you will say that gmail is not a proper MUA but that doesn't weigh on me very heavily since I am otherwise very productive with it. I am also skilled in Python, although as you can imagine I have a long todo list. But, if someone could define a clear path to making this work perhaps I could meet the Mailman 3 deadline, whenever that is. Or perhaps I could work with someone on it, or convince someone else that an alternate, more general and widely supported (e.g., supported in all very popular web e-mail clients) e-mail interface to mailman administration is worth their time. Thank you, Brian Mingus Professional Research Assistant Computational Cognitive Neuroscience Lab University of Colorado at Boulder

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Framework to be used for Mailman 3.0
by Jaideep Khandelwal 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Hello All, As GNU Mailman version 3.0 alpha2 is launched and being made compatible with the other web frameworks , so what would be the preference like Django, Web2Py or any other ?? And how the authentication system would be working in Mailman 3.0 , like the issues of clear text passwords as if someone wants to use the mailing list's database info can be used somewhere else . Thanks Regards Jaideep

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Wiki scheduled downtime
by Barry Warsaw 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Just a quick announcement to let you know that wiki.list.org is scheduled to be off-line for upgrades starting at 2200 UTC on Friday, March 19, 2010. Total downtime is not known, as they will be upgrading us to the latest version and it's a big upgrade. Cheers, -Barry

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Mailman 3.0 UI Status?
by Jennifer Redman 25 Mar '10

25 Mar '10

Hello! I believe that there was a Code Sprint at Pycon to work on the MM 3.0 UI (and other items). Is there any place I can go to read about what has been implemented thus far in MM 3.0 and what features are still outstanding with regards to MM 3.0 and in particular the UI? Thanks, Jen

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 UI Status?
by Anna Granudd 23 Mar '10

23 Mar '10

Hi, I tried to find the page in the wiki Florian mentioned but realized it probably hadn't been created yet. Would you mind sending a link to it once it's finished? Thanks, Anna > >there are still a few things to do but I'm hopeful I can get things ready > >over the weekend. My goal is to have a simple django skeleton running that > >talks to the rest server in a working MM3-environment. I will update the > wiki > >with info on what is where and also outline some of the things we > discussed > >during the sprint so everyone interested can get themselves up to speed. > > Sounds great Florian, thanks. I think once we get the framework going and > put > a test server up, we're going to get a lot of folks interested in helping > us > flesh out the web ui. At least I hope so! :) > > -Barry >

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Temporary wiki.list.org outage
by Barry Warsaw 22 Mar '10

22 Mar '10

Hi folks, wiki.list.org may experience some short-term outages as the fine folks at Contegix attempt to upgrade our instance. They originally tried to do it over the weekend, but had some troubles and now want to attempt it again during weekday hours. Thanks, -Barry

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pipermail feature request for View by Date
by Parag N(पराग़) 10 Mar '10

10 Mar '10

Hi all, I am new member of this list and using Fedora mailing lists. Previously Fedora project mailing lists allows "view by Date" archive option as can be seen at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2010-January/date.html but now they migrated to new interface http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-January/date.html and this does not show threads by Date. Can someone knows if there is any good reason for not to have this implemented yet? Thanks & Regards, Parag.

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Implementing a new feature, first steps
by Ben Wilber 02 Mar '10

02 Mar '10

Hello, I am interested in implementing a new feature in Mailman and am in need of a bit of direction. The feature I'm considering would match the subject of an inbound message against one or more regexes and upon finding a match would redirect the message to a different, pre-defined, list. The web interface would have a text box accepting a regex and a drop-down list of mailing lists to redirect the message to. The original sender would get an auto-response saying something like "Based on the content of your subject line, we have redirected your message to this list ..." etc. I've been picking through the code (very nice and well-documented) and have not been able to find the right spot to insert a bit of code to do what I want. Would anyone be able to point me to the right handler class to modify? Maybe I need a new handler that gets called as a sort of filter? I'm not exactly sure yet and I don't see anything that seems to have that kind of interface. Any help is greatly appreciated! Of course, any code I write (and which you find useful) will go right back upstream! Thanks, Ben

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New Logo Contest for 2010
by Barry Warsaw 01 Mar '10

01 Mar '10

Hello everybody! Our current GNU Mailman logos were designed by the Dragon De Monsyne many years ago. They have served us exceedingly well, but with the coming of Mailman 3, we've decided it's time our logos got a face lift. So we're opening up a new logo contest to the Mailman and GNU communities. We invite your creative and inspiring designs! Details of the contest and submission guidelines are available here: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/NewLogo Submissions will be open until February 28, 2010, and is open to everyone, so feel free to forward this announcement. Please contact the Mailman Steering Committee at mailman-cabal(a)python.org with any questions. Enjoy, -Barry

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