Mailman 3 June 2011 - Mailman-Developers

Analysis of MM3 Issues on FreeBSD
by Richard Wackerbarth 14 Jun '11

14 Jun '11

I did some investigation of problems reported in attempting to get MM3 to run on FreeBSD. I used FreeBSD 8.2 - python 2.7.1 from ports, but it looks as if the situation is the same on other combinations. After bootstrap, running bin/test fails because the pysqlite2 module is not found. This is because the port that installed it put the module in the site-packages folder. The MM3 buildout.cfg explicitly ignores anything there. A) Changing to "include-site-packages = true" in line 9 of buildout.cfg fixes the problem. However, bug LP: #659231 introduced the exclusion for another reason. It is my opinion that the fix to 659231 by disabling site-packages is fundamentally wrong and just masks the real issue, if it exists. (Personally, I have been unable to reproduce the condition reported by the referenced bug) B) Another "workaround" is to install the pysqlite2 in another directory that is on the python path. (After installation in site-packages, I just `mv`d it) This investigation has uncovered two additional issues. 1) In choosing its implementation, storm chooses the pysqlite2 interface and, if it is not present, attempts to fall back to the newer sqlite3 interface. 2) The FreeBSD port of python disables a number of modules: disabled_module_list = ["_bsddb", "_sqlite3", "_tkinter", "gdbm", "mpz"] I assume that this is because the port was not set up to make these optional and assure that the prerequisite code gets installed if not already present. Richard "Wacky" Wackerbarth

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject)
by arnaud.le-roy＠voila.fr 07 Jun '11

07 Jun '11

Hi Barry, Happy to confirm that it helps. These convenience functions ease the discovery for first time players, so from this point of view this is an added benefit of your trade-off. Thanks, Arnaud > Message du 07/06/11 à 21h57 > De : "Barry Warsaw" <barry(a)list.org> > A : mailman-developers(a)python.org > Copie à : arnaud.le-roy(a)voila.fr > Objet : Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject) > > Hi Arnaud, > > On Jun 07, 2011, at 11:55 AM, arnaud.le-roy(a)voila.fr wrote: > > >I've just installed mailman 3 : as my goal is to use it with the REST > >interface or custom scripts, I'd like to get a good grasp of how it is > >working. So, I'm trying to use it in interactive mode as in the package > >documentation. However, I'm not sure of the best way to be in the same > >context as in the documentation examples. At first I tried the "py" script > >under bin, but everything is not initialised (eg I have component not found > >errors for getUtility). Then I tried with mailman withlist. It works better > >now but I now see the dump_list function in the examples and I had to import > >it manually. So my question is : what is the context of the examples and how > >can I set it up ? Or are they all "ad hoc" with no general way to be in the > >same state ? > > You're pretty close, actually. The documentation does assume a slightly > crafted global namespace, which you can see in > src/mailman/tests/test_documentation.py. Look in the setup() function. I've > tried to keep these 'magic test gobals' to a minimum, but some are just too > darn convenient. > > You're right that bin/py does not initialize the system. That's exactly what > `bin/mailman withlist` does though. As you've seen, you will have to manually > import certain names though, exactly the ones that test_documentation.py puts > in the doctest globals. It should be fairly obvious from looking at that file > what you'll need and where to get it from. > > The other tricky bit about the test suite is that you might need to take into > account the "layer" feature of zope.testing. You'll find all the testing > layers in src/mailman/testing/layers.py and for doctests, some package > __init__.py files have a `layer` global that defines the layer for doctests in > that package. See for example src/mailman/rest/docs/__init__.py. > > I hope that helps. > -Barry > > > [ signature.asc (0.8 Ko) ] ____________________________________________________ Découvrez les photos des sportives les plus sexy sur Voila http://people.voila.fr/people/mediatheque/dossiers/les-sportives-les-plus-s…

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(no subject)
by arnaud.le-roy＠voila.fr 07 Jun '11

07 Jun '11

Hi, I've just installed mailman 3 : as my goal is to use it with the REST interface or custom scripts, I'd like to get a good grasp of how it is working. So, I'm trying to use it in interactive mode as in the package documentation. However, I'm not sure of the best way to be in the same context as in the documentation examples. At first I tried the "py" script under bin, but everything is not initialised (eg I have component not found errors for getUtility). Then I tried with mailman withlist. It works better now but I now see the dump_list function in the examples and I had to import it manually. So my question is : what is the context of the examples and how can I set it up ? Or are they all "ad hoc" with no general way to be in the same state ? Thanks, Arnaud Le Roy ____________________________________________________ Découvrez les photos des sportives les plus sexy sur Voila http://people.voila.fr/people/mediatheque/dossiers/les-sportives-les-plus-s…

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject)
by arnaud.le-roy＠voila.fr 07 Jun '11

07 Jun '11

Thanks Benedict, (j'ai regardé, merci!) this page is going to be very important for my next steps. I'm sorry however that I did not made my "core" question clear enough : if I look at the documentation for the packages, eg : http://packages.python.org/mailman/commands/docs/members.html, there are interactive python sessions operating on the different data structures of mailman, and I'd like to know how or if I can start the python shell to be in the same initial state than these sessions, or if these examples are just a moment in a larger interactive sequence... I tried with "mailman withlist" but it appears to not be the same context. Arnaud > Message du 07/06/11 à 18h28 > De : "Benedict Stein" <benedict.stein(a)googlemail.com> > A : arnaud.le-roy(a)voila.fr > Copie à : mailman-developers(a)python.org > Objet : Re: [Mailman-Developers] (no subject) > > Hi arnaud, > > regarde: > http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=11960560 > > > Am Dienstag, den 07.06.2011, 11:55 +0200 schrieb arnaud.le-roy(a)voila.fr: > > > Hi, > > > > I've just installed mailman 3 : as my goal is to use it with the REST interface or custom scripts, I'd like to get a good grasp of how > > it is working. So, I'm trying to use it in interactive mode as in the package documentation. However, I'm not sure of the best way to be > > in the same context as in the documentation examples. At first I tried the "py" script under bin, but everything is not initialised (eg > > I have component not found errors for getUtility). Then I tried with mailman withlist. It works better now but I now see the dump_list > > function in the examples and I had to import it manually. So my question is : what is the context of the examples and how can I set it > > up ? Or are they all "ad hoc" with no general way to be in the same state ? > > > > Thanks, > > Arnaud Le Roy > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > > Découvrez les photos des sportives les plus sexy sur Voila http://people.voila.fr/people/mediatheque/dossiers/les-sportives- les-plus-sexy/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailman-Developers mailing list > > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ > > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/benedict.stein%40… > > > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > > > -- > > Einen schönen Tag wünscht: > Benedict Stein > > > > > [ signature.asc (0.8 Ko) ] ____________________________________________________ Découvrez les photos des sportives les plus sexy sur Voila http://people.voila.fr/people/mediatheque/dossiers/les-sportives-les-plus-s…

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ACL in Mailman - what's you opinion
by Benedict Stein 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

Dear List-subscribers, wacky and i discussed a few things about how to implement ACL within the Mailman3 parts. I've wrote a small Blogpost about it in http://benste.blogspot.com/2011/05/mailman-3-restapi-webui-acl.html just in case you want to contribute to Pro/Con list directly go to http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Pro+-+Con+ACL+in+different+Layers+%28WebUI…

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