Mailman 3 April 2013 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] error installing the mailman web UI
by Sneha Priscilla April 13, 2013

April 13, 2013

Hey Avik, Why don't you try re-branching the repository again and start over? Plus buildout instruction needs sudo access as far as I know, so make sure you're doing that. Priscilla On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Avik Pal <avikpal.me(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I was following the steps given at > > http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/A+5+minute+guide+to+get+the+Mailman+web+UI… > I am getting the following error every time. please help. > > An internal error occured due to a bug in either zc.buildout or in a > recipe being used: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py", > line 1923, in main > getattr(buildout, command)(args) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py", > line 604, in install > installed_files = self[part]._call(recipe.install) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py", > line 1358, in _call > return f() > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-2.0.0-py2.7.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py", > line 126, in install > reqs, ws = self.working_set() > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-2.0.0-py2.7.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py", > line 84, in working_set > allow_hosts=self.allow_hosts) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", > line 782, in install > return installer.install(specs, working_set) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", > line 626, in install > for dist in self._get_dist(requirement, ws): > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", > line 448, in _get_dist > dist, avail = self._satisfied(requirement) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", > line 204, in _satisfied > return None, self._obtain(req, source) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", > line 372, in _obtain > if index.obtain(requirement) is None: > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 341, in obtain > self.prescan(); self.find_packages(requirement) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 326, in find_packages > self.scan_url(self.index_url + requirement.unsafe_name+'/') > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 673, in scan_url > self.process_url(url, True) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 224, in process_url > page = self.process_index(url, page) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 301, in process_index > self.scan_url(new_url) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 673, in scan_url > self.process_url(url, True) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 202, in process_url > f = self.open_url(url, "Download error on %s: %%s -- Some packages may > not be found!" % url) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 611, in open_url > return open_with_auth(url) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 807, in _socket_timeout > return func(*args, **kwargs) > File > > "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", > line 854, in open_with_auth > fp = urllib2.urlopen(request) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen > return _opener.open(url, data, timeout) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 400, in open > response = self._open(req, data) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 418, in _open > '_open', req) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 378, in _call_chain > result = func(*args) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1207, in http_open > return self.do_open(httplib.HTTPConnection, req) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1180, in do_open > r = h.getresponse(buffering=True) > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1030, in getresponse > response.begin() > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 407, in begin > version, status, reason = self._read_status() > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 365, in _read_status > line = self.fp.readline() > File "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 447, in readline > data = self._sock.recv(self._rbufsize) > timeout: timed out > > > > Avik Pal > Bengal Engineering & Scieence University,Shibpur > github:https://github.com/avikpal > IRC:- irc://freenode/avikp,isnick > twitter:-https://twitter.com/avikpalme > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/24.sneha%40gmail.… > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >

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error installing the mailman web UI
by Avik Pal April 13, 2013

April 13, 2013

Hello, I was following the steps given at http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/A+5+minute+guide+to+get+the+Mailman+web+UI… I am getting the following error every time. please help. An internal error occured due to a bug in either zc.buildout or in a recipe being used: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1923, in main getattr(buildout, command)(args) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 604, in install installed_files = self[part]._call(recipe.install) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1358, in _call return f() File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-2.0.0-py2.7.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py", line 126, in install reqs, ws = self.working_set() File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.recipe.egg-2.0.0-py2.7.egg/zc/recipe/egg/egg.py", line 84, in working_set allow_hosts=self.allow_hosts) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 782, in install return installer.install(specs, working_set) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 626, in install for dist in self._get_dist(requirement, ws): File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 448, in _get_dist dist, avail = self._satisfied(requirement) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 204, in _satisfied return None, self._obtain(req, source) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/zc.buildout-2.1.0-py2.7.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 372, in _obtain if index.obtain(requirement) is None: File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 341, in obtain self.prescan(); self.find_packages(requirement) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 326, in find_packages self.scan_url(self.index_url + requirement.unsafe_name+'/') File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 673, in scan_url self.process_url(url, True) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 224, in process_url page = self.process_index(url, page) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 301, in process_index self.scan_url(new_url) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 673, in scan_url self.process_url(url, True) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 202, in process_url f = self.open_url(url, "Download error on %s: %%s -- Some packages may not be found!" % url) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 611, in open_url return open_with_auth(url) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 807, in _socket_timeout return func(*args, **kwargs) File "/home/avik/proj/mailman/eggs/distribute-0.6.36-py2.7.egg/setuptools/package_index.py", line 854, in open_with_auth fp = urllib2.urlopen(request) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen return _opener.open(url, data, timeout) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 400, in open response = self._open(req, data) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 418, in _open '_open', req) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 378, in _call_chain result = func(*args) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1207, in http_open return self.do_open(httplib.HTTPConnection, req) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1180, in do_open r = h.getresponse(buffering=True) File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1030, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 407, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 365, in _read_status line = self.fp.readline() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 447, in readline data = self._sock.recv(self._rbufsize) timeout: timed out Avik Pal Bengal Engineering & Scieence University,Shibpur github:https://github.com/avikpal IRC:- irc://freenode/avikp,isnick twitter:-https://twitter.com/avikpalme

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GSoC 2013 (GNU Mailman) - introductions
by Sneha Priscilla April 13, 2013

April 13, 2013

Hello! I'm Sneha Priscilla, a final year undergraduate CS student from Bangalore, India. I was a previous Summer of Code student for Systers last year and I have in the process, worked with a lot of Mailman (mostly the stable 2.1 version). I am especially interested in Postorius and would like to implement one of the following ideas this summer: 1.Better User Settings Management 2.Design interface "themes" for specific types of list 3.Enhance list style capabilities If any of the above are not sufficient to serve as an independent project, I thought I could team it up with any others above or with the project idea: Convenient access to logs via admin interface I would love to have some guidance regarding the above projects and their feasibility , maybe how to go about it. A little about myself: I have 4 years of programming experience, 1 year in Python, coding for Systers for GSoC 2012. After that summer, I've worked with Mailman 3 and Postorius and have found adding features to Postorius a lot of fun. I've also worked on a bug in the month of January which was merged during PyCon: https://code.launchpad.net/~stylistica/postorius/inline_helptext Apart from this, I've also filed 2 bugs related to Postorius and which I am currently working on. I love algorithms and clean UI design - I have some experience with Django and my current final year project uses Bootstrap for CSS. I'm hoping to work with Mailman in this year's GSoC as I already have a tiny bit of experience with it and this would serve as an ideal opportunity to make a big contribution and also give me a chance to work with Mailman formally and prove my mettle. I am accessible via email and also available on Launchpad and IRC by the nick: stylistica . Looking forward to (Hopefully!) working with the Mailman team. Thanks and Regards, Priscilla

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MM 2.1 - Relative vs. absolute URLs in admin and admindb interfaces.
by Mark Sapiro April 12, 2013

April 12, 2013

There is a thread in mailman-users at <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2013-April/074961.html>. In short the user's difficulty is her world facing host name doesn't work inside her LAN so from inside, she accesses the web interface via IP address or some other host name. This leads to the issue that some links and form actions in the web admin and admindb interfaces are absolute using the list's web_page_url which has the host name that doesn't work inside the LAN. Granted, this can be addressed in the network or the work station's /etc/hosts file, but the question arises as to whether these URLs need to be absolute, particularly because they're already in the minority. I was going to call this a MM 2.1 bug and fix it but then I came across this 10 year old comment from Barry at <https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/265838>. We had lots of problems when non-absolute urls where used, although I don't remember the exact details of the problems. Eventually we'll probably make all urls absolute and get rid of this argument to GetScriptURL(). So my question is would there be issues if the URL in the form action and the leter/digit links on the web admin Membership List page or those in the admindb interface were relative instead of absolute and what might those issues be? Does anyone know? -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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GSOC
by Kushal Khandelwal April 12, 2013

April 12, 2013

Hey , My name is Kushal Khandelwal and I am a third year undergraduate in engineering.I am interested in developing for Mailman. I have experience in programming with Python , and I am also into web development using PHP HTML CSS and javascript. Also I am good at data mining and vizualization and currently working on Natural Language processing. I would like to work on the following projects : 1)Design interface "themes" for specific types of list 2) Log Monitor 3) Web Posting Interface Please guide me how should go about developing the projects ? I am currently setting up my local mailman development repo. -- Kushal Khandelwal Birla Institute of Technology & Science, Pilani K K Birla Goa Campus

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC 2013 - GNU Mailman - Introduction and Project Discussion
by Sreyanth April 12, 2013

April 12, 2013

And this is my another idea, which I am interested to work on 4. My own project idea: Mining the list logs and recognize interesting patterns for better enhancements (the admin need not have data mining experience) We can actually have this integrated to the admin console where the logs can be accessed, at the same time, some interesting patterns can shown, along with stats and all (just a basic idea, need to work on this more). Depending on the detected patterns, the admin may want to change some settings! Given my experience with IR and Django, I feel this is a potential GSoC project! Any suggestions? On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Sreyanth <sreyanth(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all! Thank you very much for awesome discussion here! > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Terri Oda <terri(a)zone12.com> wrote: > >> On 13-04-11 10:44 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> >> 1. Mailman is the wrong place to do filtering. It's equally >> effective, normally covers more messages, and is somewhat more >> efficient in resource usage to do it at the MTA. >> 2. Any new algorithms **should** be made available at the MTA level >> where they can be best put to use by more people. This implies >> something that either plugs into existing filters (such as >> spamassassin) or MTAs (ie, milters) rather than a Handler. >> 3. Adapting existing filters is generally pretty trivial: you write a >> 10-line custom Handler that pipes it to an external process. This >> isn't big enough for a GSoC project. >> 4. To the extent that new algorithms are involved, I have doubts that >> Mailman mentors have the kind of expertise needed to really help >> with such a project (I could be wrong, but I certainly don't know >> much about that kind of text processing, and I don't know that >> anybody else in Mailman has expertise in it). >> >> I agree. > >> >> Writing individual pipelines may be trivial, but making a user interface >> for managing said pipelines is non-trivial. Right now, our pipeline >> management interface is "there's a text box in postorius that lets you >> choose a pipeline. It's not even a dropdown, and you may be screwed if you >> make a typo" which is obviously not how I want it when we release. ;) >> >> I see a potential project timeline going something like this: >> >> A. make a set of custom Mailman 3 Handlers for some well-known existing >> anti-spam/anti-malware software. (Maybe 2-3 weeks of work here, finding >> 2-4 reasonable pieces of software, setting them up, writing the handlers, >> and testing them) >> >> B. make an interface in Postorius so list admins can >> enable/disable/reorder these and any whitelisting happening within >> mailman. This should involve making an interface in Postorius that gives >> admins the ability to change the Pipeline being used, and will likely >> involve a small amount of user testing to make sure said interface doesn't >> have risk of disastrous results if the administrator does the wrong thing. >> (Another 3-4 weeks of work including user testing, unit tests, and >> documentation) >> >> C. Figure out how to set up some sort of packager that can install >> handlers + antispam software so that the site admin has an easy way to set >> these up if requested. (Another 3-4 weeks of work, including testing any >> scripts on a few different OSes and extensive documentation) >> >> D. If there's any time leftover, implement some clever new filter (and >> appropriate Handler) that makes use of the list information itself (e.g. >> subscriber list, archives, etc.) to make better spam decisions. (at this >> point, you've got maybe 2 weeks left in the GSoC timeline) >> >> This really looks great! Almost what I actually expected from a project > like this. > But, like Stephen and Barry pointed out, I am unsure as to how far this > comes under GSoC's purview. > > >> >> I think that constitutes enough useful-to-mailman work to justify the >> google funds, gets us some customizable spam filtering (which as you say, >> is a frequently requested feature), but doesn't turn us into something >> we're not. That's why anti-spam made this year's gsoc list even though >> we've always said "do it in the MTA" and I'm not about to change that >> policy in general. >> >> Do feel free to disagree with me, of course, Stephen. Or complain that >> I'm using the lure of antispam to get someone solve my user interface for >> pipelines problem, which I totally am. ;) >> >> Terri >> >> Thanks for such a great timeline Terri. I dont have issues with this. As > Stephen and Barry said, I even liked the idea of having a MILTER interfaced > at LMTP level. > > On a overall positive note, I am quite convinced that giving the admin of > the list with great flexible options to choose from (and as Barry pointed > out, why should everything be exposed to the admin via Postorius?, which > may not be of the admin's interest! ). I believe this could be make a nice > GSoC project, but with many spam filters which people are already > acquainted with, I am not sure how far people tend to use this feature. > > Also, I would like to hear more about : Boilerplate stripper AND Better > content-filtering / handling error messages. > Boilerplate stripping is trivial to understand. But, can anyone elaborate > on Better content-filtering / handling error messages? > I strongly believe that Boilerplate stripping will be a cool thing to have > in Mailman and obviously, who would not want to welcome better > content-filtering / error handling techniques on board? > > > > -- > *Yours Sincerely* > * > * > *Mora Sreyantha Chary* > *Computer Engineering '14* > *National Institute of Technology Karnataka* > *Surathkal, India 575 025* > -- *Yours Sincerely* * * *Mora Sreyantha Chary* *Computer Engineering '14* *National Institute of Technology Karnataka* *Surathkal, India 575 025*

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] OpenPGP Integration on GSoC
by Daniel Kahn Gillmor April 12, 2013

April 12, 2013

On 04/09/2013 07:55 PM, Marcos Chavarría Teijeiro wrote: > The problem is that I'm not sure if I understand the idea. This is how I > see it: > 1) Users summit their public key to MailMan server when they register to > mail list. > 2) The user can get MailMan Server public key > 3) When an user want to post a message they both sign and encrypt this > message. They encrypt the message using MailMan public key. Then the > message is sent to MailMan Server. > 4) MailMan decrypt the received message and check if the sign is correct > (with the stored public user public key). If the sign is correct, it sends > a message to every mail-list subscripter encrypted with each user public > key. > 5) The other user receive the email and decrypt it. > > Is this correct? This sounds like a reasonable proposal, though there are potentially a lot of gotchas in such an implementation (in particular, keyring management, and dealing sensibly with cryptographic failures are two rough spots that you probably need to tihnk more about). Have you looked at schleuder? In my experience, schleuder is the most widely-used mailing list software that maps to the model you describe, so learning from their experiences and figuring out why they made the implementation decisions they did would probably be helpful: http://schleuder2.nadir.org/ You might also want to compare notes with Abhilash Raj (who has been posting to this list), since y'all seem to be interested in similar topics. all the best, --dkg

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Setting up a VM.
by Peter Markou April 11, 2013

April 11, 2013

Hello again community. Two days ago I made a sort introduction of my self and stated that I'm interested in implementing the "Web Posting Interface" project(through this e-mail - http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/msg13451.html). In order to getting started with Mailman development I went through the equivalent quote(here - http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Google+Summer+of+Code+2013). Since I'm able to consume the services described here : https://okeanos.grnet.gr/services/cyclades/ , I would like to setup a VM and also make it available for future developers. If you're interested in this, poke me to arrange a meeting in IRC and discuss any further details. Best regards, Peter Markou.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] OpenPGP Integration on GSoC
by Mark Sapiro April 11, 2013

April 11, 2013

Marcos Chavarría Teijeiro wrote: > 4) MailMan decrypt the received message and check if the sign is correct > (with the stored public user public key). If the sign is correct, it sends > a message to every mail-list subscripter encrypted with each user public > key. As Stephen suggests in another thread at <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2013-April/022681.html>, Mailman should resign with its own private key to verify that it has accepted the incoming post and that the post was signed by a list member -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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GSoC 2013 - GNU Mailman - Introduction and Project Discussion
by Sreyanth April 11, 2013

April 11, 2013

Hi all! I am interested to participate in GSoC this year and would like to choose GNU Mailman under PSF for it. I have gone through the proposed ideas and I would like people to tell if they are feasible for one summer! 1. Boilerplate stripper AND Better content-filtering / handling error messages. 2. No-logging mode. 3. Anti-spam / anti-abuse in Mailman. 4. My own project idea: Mining the list logs and recognize interesting patterns for better enhancements (the admin need not have data mining experience) By far, I am looking to duplicate bugs on my comp and am aiming at writing a patch or two before the student deadline, so that I have much more time to work on my application. # Bragging mode ON. You may want to skip this. And, let me introduce myself. I am Sreyantha Chary (lets make it Sreyanth), a 3rd year undergrad majoring in Computer Engineering at the National Institute of Technology Karnataka. I wont consider myself an expert in python programming, but yeah, I am good enough to work on intermediate projects. I have used Django for my university projects and loved it. Research wise, I am into Machine Learning, Information Retrieval and Data Mining. And coding wise, I try crazy stuff, sometimes just to check if I remember anything from the documentation! # Bragging mode OFF. People, please let me know your take on the projects I am interested in. How far is my proposed idea feasible? Thanks in advance. Thanks for your time! * Thanks and regards * * * *Mora Sreyantha Chary* *Computer Engineering '14* *National Institute of Technology Karnataka* *Surathkal, India 575 025*

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