Mailman 3 August 2013 - Mailman-Developers

Mailman REST API: How to change preferences?
by Manish Gill 21 Aug '13

21 Aug '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm having some trouble in interacting with preferences as they are exposed via Mailman's REST API. As I understand from the documentation, preferences have various "fallbacks" so a value is always available even if it is not present for an upper level. This goes as: member -> address -> user -> system. Onwards to the problem: To change a value in the preferences of a membership. It would seem that the membership preferences (accessible via "/members/id/all/preferences") are set as read-only. So when I do this: >>> requests.patch(url, data={'delivery_mode': "digest"}, >>> auth=auth) It returns 405. Although we can modify "delivery_mode" if we access "/members/id/preferences". So how do I change those other values? I can try and convert them on the Address, or the User, but those are not specific enough. Something like Address would change them for *all* the subscriptions on that email address, which is not the goal here. And maybe I'm missing something, but it would also seem that changing them on a address would be pointless if we have a membership, since, as the docs say, precedence is given to the membership preferences (which can't be modified). So, why are membership preferences read-only and is there anything I can do about that? Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSFLvwAAoJEDTnrae/jUU9gOgH/R0/KcXyNv6hE/gWiT4JN9Vs lranOJ8Iu45iEPbHUP1OZ1V+qJtr7GIAMH+oN/n0dK7lWMTDWmx3tKowaXWODt6t 6DVFceyMItwPUTaIiWI8xtmjZWbBhbNTc11dsaDMcEbegrPLur2QtdQYpnHFXO9x EgBe4F6ZGdLhFxIy0xwmMupTtJRG/1c00r5LCSIhMQrZ5n1ywFZEG7WRMX9hj1sB qKuTMGnGS1ydLnJrQ0RmbEstHWk9AuzxWzlP+1k+LBcdA3X6t5GvedM61Jz+6uTA cPRBNRZSZZLaWXQheXGnnKZ1ioY3EX7YhhAp4sRvspKqvQVTEt2MNmKgBzktP7I= =ysZD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Get message content by message ID
by Nghia Vu Truong 19 Aug '13

19 Aug '13

Hi there, Is there any way to get message's content based on its "Message ID"? Thanks Nghia

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Send message having same "References" from archive
by VuNghia Truong 18 Aug '13

18 Aug '13

Hi, Suppose that I have archive file, like "list_name.mbox". Now, I want to get the message with same "References" field, and send them out. How could I accomplish this problem? Thanks Nghia

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC Updates
by Stephen J. Turnbull 16 Aug '13

16 Aug '13

Abhilash Raj writes: > But can we achieve required randomization to create keys on virtualized > systems? Not your problem. We can do it on physical hosts, and that's good enough. People who care this much about security will be prepared to pay for it. Generalizing to handle sites that need security but don't care (yet) is Somebody Else's Problem (maybe even you, but in a post- GSoC avatar). "Requirements creep" is identified as one of the most important causes of project failure. Learn to say "No." where possible, "It will cost you USD1,000,000 and 36 months." if you must. (Of course in the latter case you'll replace those numbers with accurate ones. :-) > Okay then we can just suggest not to use md5. Yes. For now, your job is to get the system working and working securely. The defaults for key-generation are fine. > > > Also one more thing while running tests i noticed many other > > > tests are breaking as initially a simple message could pass > > > though "default-posting-chain" but now we need a > > > multipart/signed message. So should I worry about changing all > > > other tests? > > > > Yes. Conventionally that is the responsibility of the person who adds > > a feature. However, there's nothing that says you can't ask Barry for > > help. He may know a way to do it quickly. > > Barry anything here? I guess you didn't notice that you didn't reply to the list? Mailman project lists don't mung Reply-To, you need to reply to list (if your MUA has the function) or reply to all.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC Updates
by Abhilash Raj 16 Aug '13

16 Aug '13

On Friday 16 August 2013 10:35 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Abhilash Raj writes: > > > 1) How do list owner create keys? What parameters? Which address? > > python-gnupg provides a key-generation API, GPG.gen_key(). > Alternatively, this could be done manually by the trusted > site-manager. The web UI would have to run over SSL, presumably > HTTPS. > > I think the address should be $LIST-owner@fqdn. For other parameters, > defaults are OK I think (size=2048, type=RSA IIRC). Here should not the address be the list's posting address? Like for mm-dev list should it not be "mailman-developers(a)python.org"? > > About the address I think owner can create a key using posting > > address with a min key length of 1024? or else mailman rejects the > > key? MD5 hash should be discouraged and at least SHA1 should be > > used? (although I found this[1] that even sha1 should not be used) > > Nobody short of a major government can afford to break private keys or > crypto hashes on a regular basis. Otherwise, before they try to break > SHA1, they'll kidnap and torture you (I'm serious about the > calculation they'll make, not that I think it will happen to anybody > we know for several thousand years). > > > 3) How to manage paraphrase(or passwords) for keys? > > > > In previous discussions we decided to use gnupg-agent and I > > although I haven't tried it. Any other suggestions to it? > > I really don't know. As you probably know, files containing host keys > for SSH and other SSL applications don't have passwords, but are > simply made readable only by root. That might be the appropriate > solution here. Otherwise, any reboot takes all lists down until the > owner can be tracked down. > > > Also one more thing while running tests i noticed many other tests are > > breaking as initially a simple message could pass though > > "default-posting-chain" but now we need a multipart/signed message. So > > should I worry about changing all other tests? > > Yes. Conventionally that is the responsibility of the person who adds > a feature. However, there's nothing that says you can't ask Barry for > help. He may know a way to do it quickly. > --- Abhilash Raj

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How to send out the whole archive of a thread to a member
by Nghia Vu Truong 12 Aug '13

12 Aug '13

Hi everyone, Could you please give me guidances about how to send a thread's archives to a specific member? Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3.0 todo list
by Stephen J. Turnbull 12 Aug '13

12 Aug '13

nkarageuzian(a)gmail.com writes: > I'm looking forward mailman 3 to find efficient archive UI, with posting > from web feature (just like in http://groupserver.org/) I don't see a reply, so even though I'm not the best person to answer this I'll take a hack at it. There were two or three proposals related to this feature for GSoC this year. The one directly targeting this feature didn't make the cut. There's another, more ambitious, project to create a user interface for reading, posting, archive browsing, and user profile updates, which is being supervised by a mentor from the Systers. However, neither of these seems like it will be ready for prime time soon. I don't think the student who proposed the feature to Mailman was serious about it, he was just hoping to get a GSoC internship. I doubt he's working on it (anyway, we haven't heard a peep from him since). The Systers student is working on something specifically for use of Systers, and I don't know whether we can integrate it into Mailman 3 directly. > Should i consider pipermail or Postorious for rendering ? Pipermail is dead. Postorius is an option for UI, but it's not really about viewing or posting messages, it's more for admin (both list and user profiles). The archive manager under development currently is HyperKitty, which you can find out more about from https://github.com/hyperkitty/hyperkitty. Steve

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How to check whether the message is new thread!
by Stephen J. Turnbull 10 Aug '13

10 Aug '13

VuNghia Truong writes: > Could any one please give me advices about how to check if a message is a > new thread or just a reply to a thread? Check for a References: header or an In-Reply-To: header. These headers contain message ids from the thread. If they aren't present, the message starts a new thread. Technically, the presence of these headers *defines* "thread". In practice, you may also want to group messages with the same subject in the thread. However, there is no good way to determine order without the References or In-Reply-To header, so for most lists it is not worth the extra effort to analyze two headers to see if they're really the same after stripping out various prefixes and affixes added by software along the way. Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] How to check whether the message is new thread!
by Ralf Hildebrandt 09 Aug '13

09 Aug '13

* VuNghia Truong <truongvunghia(a)gmail.com>: > Hi guys, > Could any one please give me advices about how to check if a message is a > new thread or just a reply to a thread? If a "References:" header is there, it's referencing an older message, thus it's a reply to a thread -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charite Universitätsmedizin Berlin ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de Campus Benjamin Franklin http://www.charite.de Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155

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How to check whether the message is new thread!
by VuNghia Truong 09 Aug '13

09 Aug '13

Hi guys, Could any one please give me advices about how to check if a message is a new thread or just a reply to a thread? Thanks Nghia

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