Mailman 3 March 2015 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] For GSoC mailman Idea 'A Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderators'
by Hiren Mayani 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Okay Thank you :) On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Hiren, > > On 7 March 2015 at 01:33, Hiren Mayani <mayanihiren(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello mailman, > > > > My name is Hiren Mayani. I have used HTML,CSS,javascript to develop > > front-end of many websites. I used to code in JAVA, So, I've beginner > level > > knowledge of Python. > > > > I'm very much interested to implement idea 'A Dashboard for > > Admins/Owners/Moderators'. I haven't contribute to mailman so far. So, I > > need to set-up development environment. Is there any link available to do > > that? Do I need to download all three projects or 'Postorius' will be > > enough? What are tasks that I should do before submitting proposal? > > You need to send in atleast one bug-fix before you submit your proposal. > Also, > plase dig through the archives of this channel to learn more about your > project > idea, there already has been some discussion on it. > > To get started follow this links on Ideas Page and try to setup a local > Mailman > Installation. Since `Postorius` is the front end for `Mailman 3`, you > cannot install > it standalone. > > -- > thanks, > Abhilash Raj > -- *Regards,* *Hiren J. Mayani* *Contact No : 8866706708*

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] For GSoC mailman Idea 'A Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderators'
by Abhilash Raj 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi Hiren, On 7 March 2015 at 01:33, Hiren Mayani <mayanihiren(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello mailman, > > My name is Hiren Mayani. I have used HTML,CSS,javascript to develop > front-end of many websites. I used to code in JAVA, So, I've beginner level > knowledge of Python. > > I'm very much interested to implement idea 'A Dashboard for > Admins/Owners/Moderators'. I haven't contribute to mailman so far. So, I > need to set-up development environment. Is there any link available to do > that? Do I need to download all three projects or 'Postorius' will be > enough? What are tasks that I should do before submitting proposal? You need to send in atleast one bug-fix before you submit your proposal. Also, plase dig through the archives of this channel to learn more about your project idea, there already has been some discussion on it. To get started follow this links on Ideas Page and try to setup a local Mailman Installation. Since `Postorius` is the front end for `Mailman 3`, you cannot install it standalone. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2015 :Mailman Client written in Javascript
by Andrew Stuart 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi Abhishek I suggest you find who the mentors are for your project and ask them, mentors are listed on this page: http://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google_Summer_of_Code_2015#Mailman_Client_written_… Regarding how to build a JavaScript SDK. For inspiration perhaps you might start by looking at another JavaScript SDK such as and see how they have implemented it. Careful not to copy code from them in case there are license issues. http://aws.amazon.com/sdk-for-node-js/ as On 6 Mar 2015, at 9:05 pm, Abhishek Kumar <abhi170893(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Thanks for the suggestions Andrew. Using ngrep i found that i was using authentication key in header instead of authorization. After correcting it, the js client runs successfully..! :) I have tried curl in past and will see how it could be helpful to me while working on this task. Now that the authentication is resolved, i want to work forward. Some questions: 1) When we talk about the javascript version, is usage of frameworks like jquery suggested..? Till now i have experience of using javascript only in webpages. But here i am writing a client which is not supposed to run in browser. Please correct me if i am wrong. Currently postorius uses the mailman.client to talk to the rest api. How would it be able to use the client in js..? Or the development js client is for another purpose..? If yes , what's that and how the js client would integrate with the mailman which is python based. 2)I asked this in the 2nd last mail but it got hidden in the duplicate last mail. I need some guidance on what should i do now towards applying for this project. Should i go on writing the javascript version by discussing it with the community..? And regarding what would go into my proposal, my current understanding stands at mainly writing javascript equivalent of everything present in _client.py(mailman client) alongwith documentation and tetsting. What more is required to be done in this project..? On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Andrew Stuart <andrew.stuart(a)supercoders.com.au> wrote: Hi Abhishek, If you are going to do this sort of development you will need to become familiar with tools for observing the traffic being sent from the web browser to the web server. What sort of operating system are you using? Right clicking in a browser window that you run your JavaScript code in will generally allow you to bring up Firebug or some similar set of developer tools. There will be a “network” option there somewhere that allows you to see what is being sent between browser and server. You will be able to observe the request headers at that point. You should also install curl and become familiar with using it to send requests to the Mailman REST API. Make sure you have a good look through the curl options because there are lots of helpful options there for looking at headers etc. If you are using Chrome there is a plugin called postman that allows you to send request to REST API’s. This is also helpful. Generally when you are trying to diagnose problems talking to the Mailman REST API you should first use the tools mentioned above to make sure your request is structured properly. Once you are certain you can execute your request properly using one of the tools above, then it is time to try to make your JavaScript code send the same request. If your code is not working, use Firebug to observe the difference between what you are sending and what you made work using the command line tools. If you are doing node.js or some other sort of server executed JavaScript you will need another tool for watching the network traffic. I presume you are running Mailman on a LInux machine. When diagnosing communications between client and server it is helopful on the Linux side to be able to see the network traffic passing to and from the Mailman REST API. To do so, I use the following Linux command: sudo ngrep -W byline -d lo port 7001 This assumes your Mailman REST API is running on port 7001 which it probably is not - I don’t know which port you are running it on - you will have to do a "mailman info” command to find out. It will take you a while to become familiar with the output of ngrep and see what is being sent, but it is worth the effort as this is the most direct route to solving many problem. Finally, to solve the current issue that you have with basic authentication against the Mailman REST API you should just search google for +javascript +basic +auth +stackoverflow - surely there must be some good instructions out there somewhere for how to make basic auth work - it should be pretty straightforward. thanks as On 6 Mar 2015, at 7:20 pm, Abhishek Kumar <abhi170893(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Sorry for the same last 2 mails. Last one was sent accidentally. Are there any ideas regarding the issues i mentioned in them..? Abhilash..? On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Abhishek Kumar <abhi170893(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks Aanand and Abhilash for the help and suggestions. I need further > assistance: > > I tried to write the connection class's rough javascript code. It works > if i bypass the authentication. I have encoded/decoded the authentication > data correctly ( as seemed from printing them and what python client > generates through b64encode(auth.encode('utf-8')).decode('utf-8') ). If > authentication is allowed, the javascript client shows "401, > Unauthorized. The REST API requires authentication." > This happens because the request.auth on line 68 in > src/mailman/rest/root.py is None (see in this > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0/view/head:/src/mail…> file) > even when i am passing the authentication data in the http header . However > there are no issues when i use the python client through shell and > everyhing works fine. I was unable to figure out the issue. Any ideas > regarding what should i do here..? The js code(uses some nodejs) can be > seen here <http://pastebin.com/isxPbsNk>. > > Also i need some guidance on what should i do now towards applying for > this project. Should i go on writing the javascript version by discussing > it with the community..? And regarding what would go into my proposal, my > current understanding stands at mainly writing javascript equivalent of > everything present in _client.py(mailman client) alongwith documentation > and tetsting. What more is required to be done in this project..? > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Abhishek, >> >> On Wednesday 04 March 2015 07:43 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was able to setup the mailman (Core, postorius, mailman.client, >>> postorius_standalone) by downloading them individually. Also with >>> superuser, i can create domains. I have some questions: >>> >>> 1) When i try to create list i get : HTTP Error 500: A server error >>> occurred. Please contact the administrator >> >> Try to find out what error is raised, check the logs in >> var/logs/mailman.log . This error is very common due to the absence to >> postmap command which mailman uses to create postfix maps. Either you >> can set your mta to nullmta by adding the following in yout mailman.cfg >> in var/etc/ >> >> [mta] >> incoming: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA >> outgoing: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA >> >> >> or simply install postfix. >> >>> 2) Though i am able to create domain using postorius ui, i am unable to >> do >>> it by directly using the mailman.client. The development.rst doc says >>> "python manage.py mmclient" can be used for the purpose. But after doing >>> this no client object is created. I also tried tried the way given >>> mailmanclient/docs/using.rst >>> < >> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman.client/trunk/view/head:… >>> >>> with >>> port 8001. This creates client , but that object is unable to talk to >> the >>> rest server. >> >> Just saying that "object is unable to talk to the rest server" doesn't >> help. Make a habit of mentioning the complete traceback from logs when >> you have errors. Do you get a `Mailman API Error`? If yes, check that >> your mailman is running. If not, start it using `mailman start` command. >> >>> 3) Is what i installed using lp:mailman the mailman core..? and this >> handles >>> the rest requests..? >> >> Yes! >> >>> 4) Is there more documentation online other than that available in the >> doc >>> folders of the projects..? I searched online but didn't get any >> developer >>> type documentation. >> >> No, the same documentation is available on readthedocs in a html format. >> >>> 5) If i make any changes in the code, what's the best way to make them >>> reflected in the mailman..? run "python setup.py develop" for that >>> project..? >> >> You don't need to do anything if you ran `python setup.py develop` to >> set it up first time. If you used `python setup.py install` then you >> need to run that again to reflect your changes. >> >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday 04 March 2015 02:01 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Using the viurtualenv, i was able to complete the setup guide. But i >> am >>>>> required to login at http://localhost:8000/ and there is no option to >>>>> register. So i logged in using Mozilla persona. But even after that i >> am >>>>> not getting any options to create domains and list as described here >>>> >>>> Are you using mailman-bundler? It does not work right now! For >>>> development you'd have to download and setup each projects (Core, >>>> postorius, mailman.client, postorius_standalone) from launchpad. >>>> >>>> Also, only superuser is allowed to create domains. You can create one >> in >>>> django (postorius_standalone) using the command: >>>> >>>> $ python manage.py createsuperuser >>>> >>>> Then you have to login as a superuser using the login credentials given >>>> or through persona. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> thanks, >>>> Abhilash Raj >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Abhishek Kumar > -- Thanks, Abhishek Kumar _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers(a)python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/andrew.stuart%40… Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Thanks, Abhishek Kumar

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For GSoC mailman Idea 'A Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderators'
by Hiren Mayani 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hello mailman, My name is Hiren Mayani. I have used HTML,CSS,javascript to develop front-end of many websites. I used to code in JAVA, So, I've beginner level knowledge of Python. I'm very much interested to implement idea 'A Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderators'. I haven't contribute to mailman so far. So, I need to set-up development environment. Is there any link available to do that? Do I need to download all three projects or 'Postorius' will be enough? What are tasks that I should do before submitting proposal? -- *Regards,* *Hiren J. Mayani* *Contact No : 8866706708*

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Installation of Mailman
by Mark Sapiro 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

On 03/06/2015 08:08 AM, Prudhvee Narasimha Sadha wrote: > Hi, > I started working for mailman. As a first step I downloaded the > source code of mailman2.1.19. If you're doing this for a GSoC Project, you should be working with Mailman 3, not Mailman 2.1. > When I'm trying ./configure, it is > showing the following error. > > checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error: > > ***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python > ***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager) > ***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python > ***** from source. See sec. 15.1 of the Installation Manual for > ***** details > > > I installed Distutils, but still it is showing the error what happens if you do $ python >>> import distutils.errors >>> import distutils.sysconfig >>> x = distutils.sysconfig.get_config_vars() > and when I try the command > > % useradd -c’’GNU Mailman’’ -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman This is an error in the manual, now fixed in the online versions. The command should be useradd -c"GNU Mailman" -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Query regarding plugin integration with mailman3
by Aanand Shekhar Roy 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

> > Banned word plug-in, which was also then added to the wiki page of idea > > lists) > As you know, I'm not a fan of this one. This feature as a plug-in is desired by many list admins. So that they can maintain a decency on the list and avoid usage of certain unwanted words. I personally talked to some people about this as plugin and the response was enthusiastic. For eg. 1) If I run a list that takes feedback from customers about services of my company provides , then I wouldn't want abuses or indecent reviews since the list is public and might hurt anyone's sentiments. 2) My list discusses on social causes and some anti social elements use racial slurs and strong views against a particular group, I might want to avoid this from the list. I seek your reviews on this idea. > > and then if the time allows I will work on others like "Timed > > Vacation", since I am willing to contribute to mailman even after > > Gsoc . > > This one I like, actually, except that the probable code size is > small. It's obviously useful, it will be obvious to users how to use > it, it's obviously quite self-contained. It's a winning feature. > I wish to combine it with other plug-ins that I am going to propose so that together they can make a "summer sized " project. > > "Auto moderation system for limiting posts on a particular thread I am trying to work around the approach that can be used to build such a system. I will get back to you after I get something substantial on it. Regards Aanand

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Installation of Mailman
by Prudhvee Narasimha Sadha 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi, I started working for mailman. As a first step I downloaded the source code of mailman2.1.19. When I'm trying ./configure, it is showing the following error. checking that Python has a working distutils... configure: error: ***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python ***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager) ***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python ***** from source. See sec. 15.1 of the Installation Manual for ***** details I installed Distutils, but still it is showing the error and when I try the command % useradd -c’’GNU Mailman’’ -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman Usage: useradd [options] LOGIN useradd -D useradd -D [options] Options: -b, --base-dir BASE_DIR base directory for the home directory of the new account -c, --comment COMMENT GECOS field of the new account -d, --home-dir HOME_DIR home directory of the new account -D, --defaults print or change default useradd configuration -e, --expiredate EXPIRE_DATE expiration date of the new account -f, --inactive INACTIVE password inactivity period of the new account Please help me. Thanks, Prudhvee.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSoC Project
by Aanand Shekhar Roy 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi, I would suggest setting up mailman would be a good start http://gnu-mailman.readthedocs.org/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/WebUIin5.html and from there your can to jump beginner friendly bugs on launchpad. To get a better insight into mailman system, you can also go through their documentation. https://pythonhosted.org/mailman/src/mailman/docs/START.html If you get stuck you can contact someone at IRC also, at #mailman on freenode. > Hi, > I'm prudhvee narasimha from India. I'm very much interested in > contributing for Mailman for the project "GitHub/development tools > integration" and "Shared bookmarking toolkit"under the ideas page for > GSoC15. Im pretty good at C, PHP, MySQL,Unix Programming, > > I would really be thankful and grateful if I get the help for my > proposal and also to work on the projects and to get friendly with > Mailman Community. > > Thanks, > Prudhvee S > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/2013001%40iiitdm… > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >

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GSoC Project
by Prudhvee Narasimha Sadha 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi, I'm prudhvee narasimha from India. I'm very much interested in contributing for Mailman for the project "GitHub/development tools integration" and "Shared bookmarking toolkit"under the ideas page for GSoC15. Im pretty good at C, PHP, MySQL,Unix Programming, I would really be thankful and grateful if I get the help for my proposal and also to work on the projects and to get friendly with Mailman Community. Thanks, Prudhvee S

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Queries regarding patches & mocking in postorius
by Pranjal Yadav 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hello I'm trying to understand how patches work in postorius, I read about monkey patches and I'm aware how they work. All such patches have a predefined return which is supplied at runtime and the same must be happening since all the tests are running fine however if that is the case then there has to be a place where I can find the code for these patches which I could not. Q1. Is it that mocking mm-api calls provide these patch return values from the vcr cassette logs(.yaml) Q2. Is there a better way the pdb tarce to figure out how these objects are handled at runtime? Specially while running tests? -- *Pranjal Yadav* *IIT Kharagpur*

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