Mailman 3 September 2019 - Mailman-Developers

before next release: disable backscatter in default installation
by Jo Rhett 07 Nov '22

07 Nov '22

Hi. There's a fairly simple problem here that needs to be addressed. And it's mostly a documentation/install problem. I'm hoping we can get this resolved before the next release. PROBLEM: Mailman comes out of the box ready to backscatter spam people. Yes, it's easy enough to fix. But because it comes stock this way, and is documented to install this way, most people install it to do this. Those of us who work in abuse departments are tired of hearing "well that's how Mailman works". We also object to having to teach people how to fix their mailman installations because it's not documented in the current manual. This is *exactly* like Sendmail 14 years ago. We didn't accept it then, and Sendmail fixed the problem. RESOLUTION: Mailman default installation should not backscatter in a default configuration. 1. Don't create backscatter aliases for subscribe/unsubscribe/etc by default. Nearly everyone uses web based signup. 2. Discard or hold messages from non-subscribers by default. I would think that it would be perfectly reasonable to have documentation on how to enable the 1980s-style -request / -subscribe etc aliases. However this documentation should have a note that this is against the AUP of nearly every network provider, and enabling it will likely cause them to get listed in various blacklists as a backscatter source. FYI: I know that this goes against the instincts of many old-time mailing list advocates here. But after dealing with a 10k/hour backscatter DoS my tolerance for this problem is understandably limited. Yes, it was a sweet day back in the 1980s. I was running a mailing list server and several UUCP gateways at the time, so I remember them well. But those days are past, and we need to deal with the reality of today. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness

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GSOD Update
by ariessa.norramli＠gmail.com 25 Nov '19

25 Nov '19

Hi everyone, My Week 1 update can be viewed here: https://medium.com/@ariessa_norramli/google-season-of-docs-week-1-update-43… Week 2 update will be up by Saturday, 11pm, GMT8+. Thank you. Best Regards, Ariessa Norramli

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Umbrella Settings
by sandeep kumar 30 Sep '19

30 Sep '19

Hi Team I just want to know whether the umbrella list option is enabled in Maiman 3 or not. I have seen in the below link that umbrella list options are going to be replaced with new ones. https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node12.html Is there any alternative for using this setting in MM3. -- Regards Sandeep Kumar +91-9642669192

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[Mailman-cabal] Re: removal from Debian
by Stephen J. Turnbull 29 Sep '19

29 Sep '19

Moving to -developers, I see no reason why this should be private. On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, at 2:33 PM, bendikker(a)vfemail.net wrote: > libmatheval will be removed from Debian 21-10-2019 > Also causes the removal of (transitive) reverse dependencies: > mailman3 and mailman-suite .... Abhilash writes: > What is the reason for this removal? Is it because the project is > unmaintained or something else? The most recent version was released in 2013. I would guess there are no maintainers. > Mark Sapiro writes: > I would like to know exactly what in the Mailman 3 stack depends on > libmatheval because whatever it is should be broken in these installs. According to apt, uswgi-core 2.0.18-* requires libmatheval1. Perhaps it's demand-loaded? Steve -- Associate Professor Division of Policy and Planning Science http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/ Faculty of Systems and Information Email: turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tel: 029-853-5175 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN

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Bounce Processing in Mailman 3
by sandeep kumar 27 Sep '19

27 Sep '19

Hi Team I have observed few options those are present in Mailman 2 are not found in Mailman 3 some of them are mentioned below. If the mentioned options are already enabled please let me know where can I access them. 1.We have Bounce Processing as separate option in Mailman 2 but in Mailman 3 I haven't seen that of configuration. Options like "Bounce Score Threshold", disabling the member based on the bounce score etc.., Is this feature is enabled or still under development. If it is enabled please guide where can I access this. 2. Send goodbye message to members when they are unsubscribed?. This option also I did not found in Mailman 3. 3.Emergency moderation of all list traffic. (When this option is enabled, all list traffic is emergency moderated, i.e. held for moderation. Turn this option on when your list is experiencing a flamewar and you want a cooling off period.) I don't know what this option exactly does but I did not found it in Mailman 3. If this is intentionally ignored that is fine. 4.Discard held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic discarding. 5.Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting. 6.Is the list moderator's approval required for unsubscription requests? 7.Should messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded, be forwarded to the list moderator? I think the above option should be enabled, if it is not enabled in Mailman 3. Enabling this option let moderator or owner know what that non-member has posted. If the above mentioned features are already enabled please let me know where can I found. I have drilled down both Mailman 2 and Mailman 3 for this feature comparison. -- Regards Sandeep Kumar +91-9642669192

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Can we disable archiving by default
by sandeep kumar 23 Sep '19

23 Sep '19

Hi Team I want to disable some mailing lists archives by default and want to enable after a period of time. I don't want any archives to enabled from day-1 to a list but may be later. I tried many options but I am not able to do so. Please help with any solution -- Regards Sandeep Kumar +91-9642669192

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Time zone setting and difference in time
by sandeep kumar 23 Sep '19

23 Sep '19

Hi Team I am observing that there is a time difference in my postorius. On info page the list metrics option showing time difference of 5 hours. I changed the time zone from UTC to asia/Kolkata even though I am facing the same issue. And regarding hold date in the held message.html template under the setting {{ msg_hold.date|date:DATETIME_FORMAT}} I have removed the option date:DATETIME_FORMAT and I am able to print the time and date but not in correct format. But also with difference in the time. Setting asia/Kolkata is the only option for changing TZ or is there any other option..? Iam using postgresql database in my mailman3 Regards Sandeep Sent from my iPhone

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Hold Date is not displaying in Held messages tab
by sandeep kumar 19 Sep '19

19 Sep '19

Hi Team Observed that the Hold Date in Held Messages tab is not displaying any date. It is blank when a new message comes into Held Messages. Please help if there is any resolution for this issue -- Regards Sandeep Kumar +91-9642669192

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Unable to see the content in attachment of archives
by sandeep kumar 16 Sep '19

16 Sep '19

Hi Team We are unable to see the content of the downloaded attachment (say pdf ) from hyperkitty archiver. On opening a pdf it is displaying like it was sent like email attachment and was not correctly decoded. Please help and the issue is same for all type of files -- Regards Sandeep Kumar +91-9642669192

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Thanks to Community and Follow Up after GSoC
by Aaryan Bhagat 16 Sep '19

16 Sep '19

Hello Team, Its been long since the result of GSoC came. I thank the whole GNU Mailman community, my mentors `Abhilash` and `Stephen` and especially `Mark` ( for being patient enough to respond to this newbie). Much was learned in this community during the whole GSoC phase. I admit things did not go full well according to plan ( tests and endpoints are remaining to write mostly ) and I will state the reason for this. - My right shoulder got dislocated in an accident in college, this hampered my work as I was in the hospital, my friend completed the final evaluations as well as informed `Abhilash`. After I got discharged my right arm was still unusable and I was just figuring out how to survive in campus with one arm ( passing tests, classes etc), so I was inactive in the community even after the GSoC results were released. Yesterday the strapping on my arm is removed and now I am able to have some degree of control ( I can move my elbow fine but not the whole arm ) and hence am writing this. - I will get back to work in a month and finish the rest, meanwhile, I will stay in touch with the team. Thanks and Cheers

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