Mailman 3 June 2000 - Mailman-Developers

RE: [Mailman-Users] Question: signup box kluge
by Gregory Leblanc 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Kolar [mailto:ckolar@admin.aurora.edu] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:40 PM > To: mailman-users(a)python.org; mailman-developers(a)python.org > Cc: todd.laclair(a)mail.dreamtheater.com > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question: signup box kluge > > At 08:07 PM 6/28/2000, Dan wrote: > >The answer was "what's the question"? > > > >What does it mean to "type an email address and hit a submit button"? > >Yeah, one could add that right away: > > > ><FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=....uh....what?> > > [note to developers: is there a more elegant way to implement this?] > > The list is not being very helpful today. I think that what > this person > wants is something like the quickie subscription boxes that > you see for > eGroups of ListBot. I have been working on something like > this for a few > lists that I run. As long as security is not that important, it is > possible to work the subscription box into a web page. I was the first reply, and will take full responsibility for not being helpful. However, I, and at least one other person, was not clear on what this person wanted to do. I asked politely for some clarification, but didn't get any. Sorry if that offended anybody, but we really didn't understand the question > NOTE: this is a really quick kluge. > > NoTE: this is really not secure, I only use it on lists > where it does not > matter that much. > > To use: > > Drop into a page. Edit the ACTION line to point to the proper > server/listname on your MM server. Also edit the two > password fields so > that they are the same. What this will do is provide an > initial password > for the user, making joining easy. What this will also do is > provide the > same initial password for all users, so IT IS NOT REALLY > SECURE. At least > change it to something sufficiently random looking to > encourage people to > change it themselves. If you've got any sort of scripting language available on your server, like ColdFusion, PHP, or whatever, it should be easy enough to generate a random password here. [snip] > > --- Todd LaClair <todd.laclair(a)mail.dreamtheater.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >If I wanted to have a box on my webpage where a user > would type their > > email > > > >address and hit a submit button. Would MailMan be the > best product to > > manage > > > >this user list? > > > -- > /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ > Christopher G. Kolar > Director, Department of Instructional Technology > Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois > ckolar(a)admin.aurora.edu -- www.aurora.edu/~ckolar > [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72] > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >

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approval & b3
by Ricardo Kustner 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

Hi, I just found out that our list hasn't been sending mail for a few days now. All messages must go to approval on the admindb page, but even though the moderators have been approving lots of mail every day, they never got send out. I've always been running an up to date cvs version and it could be that a certain change in de source a few days ago somehow conflicts with my setup. I have another small list running on the same mailman that doesn't have approval but posts are send out like they should. So it must be some oddity in the approval code. From what I can see is that is goes like this: 1) user sends message to list 2) mm holds it back for approval (message is stored in ~mailman/data) 3) moderator approves messages 4) mm puts the appropiate db and msg file in ~mailman/qfiles 5) crontab runs qrunner 6) qrunner sends queued mail to list [*this seems the thing NOT working in my setup] 7) qrunner removes the files from ~mailman/qfiles (this IS working even though nothing gets send!) some extra info: 1) postfix only logs step 1... at step 6 qrunner doesn't even contact postfix 2) Defaults.py has a 'SMTPPORT=0' -- i thought that was the problem, and that it should be 25, but changing it to 25 doesn't help anything :( 3) no errors or weird info in ~mailman/logs the only way i can think of fixing everything is restart with a complete new install, but that is going to be a lot of extra work to get all the settings back on the list... plus i'm not 100% sure if that would fix anything at all... Ricardo. --

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Mailman 2.0b3 and gate_news
by Boris Granveaud 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

Hello everybody, I've just upgraded from b2 to b3 and I have the following error that the cron daemon sends me by mail: /home/python/bin/python -S /home/mailman/bigophone/cron/gate_news produced the following output: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/bigophone/cron/gate_news", line 225, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/bigophone/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/home/mailman/bigophone/cron/gate_news", line 188, in process_lists syslog('fromusenet', '%s watermark: %d' % TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation Boris Granveaud.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Question: signup box kluge
by Dan Mick 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

> >The answer was "what's the question"? > > > >What does it mean to "type an email address and hit a submit button"? > >Yeah, one could add that right away: > > > ><FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=....uh....what?> > > The list is not being very helpful today. I think that what this person > wants is something like the quickie subscription boxes that you see for > eGroups of ListBot. Ah.. Well, if the word "subscribe" had appeared anywhere in the question, I might agree that you were right...but there's no way to tell that. Todd, didn't you ask the original question? Is there some reason you're not clarifying this? > --- Todd LaClair <todd.laclair(a)mail.dreamtheater.com> wrote: > > If I wanted to have a box on my webpage where a user would type their > email address and hit a submit button. Would MailMan be the best > product to manage this user list?

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Extremely High Membership lists
by J C Lawrence 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Ken Manheimer <klm(a)digicool.com> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 Dan Mick <Dan.Mick(a)West.Sun.COM> wrote: >> Yes, I miss this too. I wish the textareas had the entire >> message in it, so that they have both wonderful attributes of 1) >> not taking up page after page of browser area, but 2) having the >> whole daggone message (or at least the first N kB, where N is >> configurable). ... > What i would prefer is to keep the configurable-N-Kb textarea, and > add a link that goes to a page that exhibits the entire held > message. This should be not hard to implement, afford the desired > discretion, and avoid the unnecessary bulk... Good point. When I get a chance later I'll update my patch to beta3, and then have a stab at the "other" page bit. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Extremely High Membership lists
by Dan Mick 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

> What i would prefer is to keep the configurable-N-Kb textarea, and add > a link that goes to a page that exhibits the entire held message. > This should be not hard to implement, afford the desired discretion, > and avoid the unnecessary bulk... You're right, but it's harder to implement, and I'm always on a broadband connection. ;) It would obviously be better that way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Extremely High Membership lists
by Ken Manheimer 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 Dan Mick <Dan.Mick(a)West.Sun.COM> wrote: > > I also have significant problems with the new moderation interface > > which has removed significant functionality by showing only an > > excerpted/truncated version of the held message in a TEXTAREA rather > > than the entire message. The old format of showing the entire > > message allowed me as list moderator: > > > > a) To know exactly what I was approving, and thus not miss > > something untoward toward the end of a message. > > Yes, I miss this too. I wish the textareas had the entire message > in it, so that they have both wonderful attributes of 1) not taking > up page after page of browser area, but 2) having the whole > daggone message (or at least the first N kB, where N is configurable). While i think the configurable N has a place, i think there's a better way to address what i see as the underlying issue. On the one hand, hugh (the typical list manager) sometimes wants to preview the entire contents of an arbitrarily large message. On the other hand, hugh often doesn't - a preview is sufficient, and on rare occassions numerous gargantuan holds would make for a painfully huge admindb page (though to bulk is hidden in the textareas, it still has to be transmitted, and the browser still has to bloat to hold it). What i would prefer is to keep the configurable-N-Kb textarea, and add a link that goes to a page that exhibits the entire held message. This should be not hard to implement, afford the desired discretion, and avoid the unnecessary bulk... Ken klm(a)digicool.com

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Large mail system configuration
by J C Lawrence 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

I found this while looking data about setting up SNMP monitors for Exim (I'm instrumenting all my systems under Cricket -- Mailman might be next if I can think of something valuable to watch): "The Exim Mail Transfer Agent in a Large Scale Deployment" http://www.kierun.org/academic/ Most likely there are similar papers about for other MTAs. I haven't looked. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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[Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] b3 not working anymore?]
by Ricardo Kustner 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

sorry for using 20 different from email addresses in 10 minutes, but forgive me it's early in the morning... :) anyway i can't find any errors in the log files either... the MTA logs say nothing since postfix doesn't get contacted by mailman at all... Ricardo. --

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] b3 not working anymore?
by J C Lawrence 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:58:11 +0200 Ricardo Kustner <r.kustner(a)facingfacts.nl> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 02:45:23AM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >> Take a look in the qfiles directory. Do you see a bunch of files >> with really long names and extensions .msg and .db? > no it's empty unfortunately... What do your MTA logs say? -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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