Mailman 3 June 2000 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] Indexing pipermail archives
by Jeremy Hylton 23 Jun '00

23 Jun '00

Speaking as a non-expert, these changes sound good reasonable. Do robots other than htdig understand these meta tags? Jeremy

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Virtual hosts/domains in mailman
by Hrvoje Niksic 23 Jun '00

23 Jun '00

"Stu Ekins" <stu(a)ekins.net> writes: > Mailman has an option in the list admin pages, which says something > like "domain name this list prefers". Specify "bar.net" in here, and > bob should be your mother's brother... This works. Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] including subscribe address in message
by Nigel Metheringham 23 Jun '00

23 Jun '00

fife(a)AnywhereYouGo.com said: > I would like to include a line that says: > You are subscribed as: fife(a)AnwyhereYouGo.com Ugh. If you use exim (and what sane person wouldn't [*]), then you could modify your list handling so that a dedicated transport is used for outgoing list SMTP. This transport could have the maximum recipients set to one, and add a header to each message - say seomthing like X-List-Subscription-Address: fife(a)AnwyhereYouGo.com Nigel. [*] OK, a little too much flame bait for no good reason, but hey its a nice morning here :-) -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham(a)VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ]

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implicit destination message?
by Christopher Kolar 23 Jun '00

23 Jun '00

Hi everyone. I recently received a note from a person strongly suggesting that error messages be put into the documentation. Is there a place where the error messages are all laid out so that I could whack together descriptions? He was particularly disturbed by the "implicit destination" error. Cheers, --chris

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Locking (oh no!)
by Dan Mick 23 Jun '00

23 Jun '00

So, with the latest CVS (really, I swear this time), it seems trivial for me to create a locking deadlock. This has happened four times in the last five minutes. Scenario: 1) go to admin/ link 2) while admin page is downloading, go to admindb/ link (on same page) The admin process dies, but still holds the lock; the admindb process spins waiting for the lock. Granted, it's easier for me than some to get to admindb while admin is still downloading, but... Is something about the browser/webserver combination killing admin in such a way so that its lock cleanup stuff isn't working? Who's supposed to clean up the lock if the process dies an early death for some reason? (Or is this where the lock has to be broken?)

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] SMTPDirect doesn't log to 'posts'
by Dan Mick 23 Jun '00

23 Jun '00

> Just decided to be brave and install the current 2.0 CVS on top of my 1.1 > list. So far so good....but I see no posts in "logs/post". Is this > intentional with SMTPDirect (the default Handler), and if so, why? > post is a useful little log to make sure things are getting through. So, with the *real* CVS, this seems to really be true; Barry, is this an oversight, or should SMTPDirect.py be logging something to 'post'?

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug still in current CVS
by Dan Mick 23 Jun '00

23 Jun '00

> X-Sender: jarrell(a)vtserf.cc.vt.edu > Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:41:34 -0400 > To: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick(a)west.sun.com>, Dan.Mick(a)west.sun.com, mailman-developers(a)python.org, jarrell(a)vt.edu > From: Ron Jarrell <jarrell(a)vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug still in current CVS > > At 02:14 PM 6/22/00 -0700, Dan Mick wrote: > >I have version 1.31 from 5/8/2000. This is after I've run > >a "cvs update". Hmm. Maybe I don't understand CVS well enough... > > > >Cripes, I'm surprised the thing is running at all... > > > Look in $mailmansrc/CVS/Root > > Are you pointed at ":pserver:anonymous@cvs.mailman.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/mailman" ? Too smart for my own good. I tried to re-root by changing $mailmansrc/CVS/Root, but it turns out there's a CVS directory in every subdirectory, so while things in the top level were coming from Sourceforge, things in the lower levels were still coming from python.org. Eeek, now I've got a mongrel Mailman running. Wish me luck as I try to dig out of this one!... Ignore my bug reports from yesterday; they're probably all bogus.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug still in current CVS
by Dan Mick 22 Jun '00

22 Jun '00

> At 02:48 PM 6/21/00 -0700, Dan Mick wrote: > >I had to fix this bug, which was reported in May, before I could use the current > >CVS: > > > >dmick@we-24-30-117-227> diff ListAdmin.py.orig ListAdmin.py > >182c182 > >< enqueue = HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg, newdata=msgdata) > >--- > >> enqueue = HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg, msgdata) > > > >Could someone with putback access clean this up, please? > > > Um, Dan, you sure you have the current CVS files? I remember putting a very similar > fix in a couple of weeks ago that Barry committed. And, in fact, that entire section > of code that used DeliverToList isn't in the current ListAdmin any more... > > I show the current version of ListAdmin.py as being 1.41. Looks like, from the log > messages that Barry put my patch in back in 1.33 on 5/30, then removed the entire > block of code when he switched to queueing admin requests, rather than delivering them > realtime, in 1.34 on 5/31... So you're at *least* 7 revs back... I have version 1.31 from 5/8/2000. This is after I've run a "cvs update". Hmm. Maybe I don't understand CVS well enough... Cripes, I'm surprised the thing is running at all...

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] including subscribe address in message
by Dan Mick 22 Jun '00

22 Jun '00

There's been a *lot* of discussion about similar things wrt MLMs in general (qmail/ezmlm call this "VERP"). What it means is you must send N different messages, where N is the number of subscribers on your list, whereas now you send 1 message with M connections, where M is usually significantly less than M. So you drastically increase both filesystem and network load to do something like this. Mailman doesn't currently support anything like this, although a custom Handlers/ module in 2.x will make it a lot easier to drop such a thing in, from what I can tell. > Before I start looking into this I thought I'd check to see if it's already > been done/investigated. > > I would like to include a line that says: > > You are subscribed as: fife(a)AnwyhereYouGo.com > > in the body of the message on the way out. I know it will increase the > needed processing of messages tremendously, but it would be good for our > subscribers as well as the list admin (me!). Our mail server doesn't have > anything better to do anyway...

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: Mailman error messages.
by Dan Mick 22 Jun '00

22 Jun '00

> >IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/error' So this makes the problem pretty clear; the permissions on the error log are incorrect. Yes?

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