Mailman 3 July 2004 - Mailman-Developers

Limiting send messages
by Nick vd Kloor ＠ FOR-Nation 20 Jul '04

20 Jul '04

Hi all, can anyone tell me how I can force mailman to send a specific number of mails at one time? So that it won't send the whole bunge in one time? Thanx in advance, Nick

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Defaults.py and the build process
by Chris Boulter 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

Hi, I've added some settings to 'Defaults.py.in' in the hope that these settings will be reflected in /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py following a configure/make/make install [1]. However, Defaults.py ends up containing only the 'normal' lines, finishing with 'del _'. This happens even if I delete Defaults.py before I run the build. Am I doing something wrong? How does the build process generate Defaults.py? Many thanks, Chris [1] of course, site settings should go in mm_cfg.py. However, I've added some stuff to the standard Mailman code and my new features need some config settings - so these aren't really site settings. -- chris(a)jellybaby.net

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] CTE "base64" due to UTF-8?
by J C Lawrence 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

On 19 Jul 2004 18:12:00 +0200 Michael Heydekamp <my(a)freexp.de> wrote: > J C Lawrence <claw=40kanga.nu> wrote on 19.07.04: >> On 19 Jul 2004 15:49:00 +0200 Michael Heydekamp <my=40freexp.de> >> wrote: > Something's wrong with your qp decoding. Yeah, I disabled it. >> For MIME digests, yes, but not for text digests. > Of course not, as multipart/digest is part of the MIME specs. In > terms of text digests, I'm not sure what Mailman is doing and what it > should do instead. RFC 1153. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] CTE "base64" due to UTF-8?
by J C Lawrence 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

On 19 Jul 2004 15:49:00 +0200 Michael Heydekamp <my(a)freexp.de> wrote: > I've never played with digests, but doesn't Mailman produce digests of > type =22multipart/digest=22 with subparts of type =22message/rfc822 > (see RFC2046)? For MIME digests, yes, but not for text digests. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] CTE "base64" due to UTF-8?
by J C Lawrence 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:05:15 +0100 Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham(a)dev.intechnology.co.uk> wrote: > If you do have an 8 bit message, and are trying to send to a non 8 bit > recipient MTA, and will not transcode, you then have a problem. You > can then either just send it (sod you, take this anyway) or bounce it. Which is particularly pernicious in the case of list servers. Given enough 8bit-bouncing MTAs a single post can unsubscribe a poster. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] CTE "base64" due to UTF-8?
by J C Lawrence 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:59:16 -0400 J C Lawrence <J> wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:05:15 +0100 Nigel Metheringham > <Nigel.Metheringham(a)dev.intechnology.co.uk> wrote: >> If you do have an 8 bit message, and are trying to send to a non 8 >> bit recipient MTA, and will not transcode, you then have a problem. >> You can then either just send it (sod you, take this anyway) or >> bounce it. > Which is particularly pernicious in the case of list servers. Given > enough 8bit-bouncing MTAs a single post can unsubscribe a poster. Err, rephrasing so as to actually be correct: Which is particularly pernicious in the cast of list servers. Given an 8bit bouncing MTA upstream of a member (perhaps as a secondary MX) the member can easily find himself unsubscribed without notice. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Alternate user (and admin) interfaces(Ian Bicking)
by J C Lawrence 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:31:23 +1000 Adam Steer <adam.steer(a)alia.org.au> wrote: > How about CMS independence? An option in MM to say 'leave the > interface to some other things, and just do the mail and DB > management'? There's nothing that mandates you use Mailman's web UI. You're free to replace it with anything else that appropriately modifies the various config files. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Alternate user (and admin) interfaces(Ian Bicking)
by Adam Steer 19 Jul '04

19 Jul '04

How about CMS independence? An option in MM to say 'leave the interface to some other things, and just do the mail and DB management'? Fil [from rezo.net] - I'm interested in your PHP/Mailman widget - I've never had any success getting PHP and Python to play together, but them I don't really expect too - or just don't know enough... Cheers Adam. -- Adam Steer Web publishing officer Australian Library and Information Association adam.steer(a)alia.org.au http://alia.org.au +61 2 6215 8234 >>> "Felipe Fonseca / izq" <listas(a)hipercortex.com> - 19/7/04 6:56 AM >>> Good. But I don`t like zope that much... f > On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:00:05 -0300 (BRT) > Felipe Fonseca </ izq" <listas(a)hipercortex.com>> wrote: > > > I was thinking about a full frontend redesign for discussion lists > > using mailman, perhaps integrated to a CMS like xoops or alike, > > allowing people to: > > ZMailman? _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/adam.steer%40alia…

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Alternate user (and admin) interfaces (Ian Bicking)
by J C Lawrence 18 Jul '04

18 Jul '04

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:00:05 -0300 (BRT) Felipe Fonseca </ izq" <listas(a)hipercortex.com>> wrote: > I was thinking about a full frontend redesign for discussion lists > using mailman, perhaps integrated to a CMS like xoops or alike, > allowing people to: ZMailman? -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Pre-select defer/accept/discard/reject for all mails
by Jan-Benedict Glaw 18 Jul '04

18 Jul '04

Hi! I'm managing some Mailman based lists and get "some" spam each day. Actually, > 95% of all emails kept for being revised is Spam, and it takes some time to navigate through all of them and click on their "discard" radio button. But changing the default from "defer" to "discard" isn't all that wise either, it may break other people's setup horribly. That is why I thought about having a small table ontop with the four chooses, which fire up a JScript to equally check the radio buttons for all mails in this admindb session. However, I'm not really a Python (nor a JavaScript) hacker, so I've only done that on the emitted HTML code. But maybe you get the idea and can integrate that into Mailman at some day or the other. It would save me quite some time a day:) I'll attach a patch (but only for the HTLM code, if you like the idea, you'll need to figure out where to place that into the .py scripts), the outline is like this: - Have a small JavaScript in the HTLM HEAD area that chooses the appropriate radio box. - Have an additional small FORM (w/o submit button or the like, only to have one more radio button list) to choose defer/accept/reject/discard. - Spend a name for the hugh FORM (containing all moderated emails) to be able to access it from inside the JavaScript. I'm not a JavaScript expert (in fact, I made this by trial and error, so for sure this can be done more elegant:) please don't blame for that... --- mail.html 2004-07-16 23:52:30.000000000 +0200 +++ mail2.html 2004-07-17 14:21:35.000000000 +0200 @@ -4,6 +4,38 @@ <LINK REL="SHORTCUT ICON" HREF="/pictures/mm-icon.png"> <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <TITLE>Linux Administrative Database</TITLE> +<script language="javascript"> +function StatusChange(offset) { + var extra_elements_start = 1; // In one table of emails, + // there's one input element + // before the table of + // emails: the "Submit" + // button. + var extra_elements_stop = 1; // Also, there's a "Submit" + // button at the end + var elements_per_mail = 13; // There are 13 input-like + // fields per mail. + var nth_element_within_mail = 1;// The what-to-do element + // within one email is the + // 1st element. + var number_of_chooses = 4; // leave, discard, accept, reject + var element_counter; + var element_number_within_email; + var e = document.emails.elements; + + for (element_counter = 0; element_counter < e.length ; element_counter++) { + if (element_counter <= (extra_elements_start - 1)) + continue; + if (element_counter >= (e.length - extra_elements_stop - 1)) + break; + element_number_within_email = (element_counter - extra_elements_start) % elements_per_mail; + if (element_number_within_email >= number_of_chooses) + continue; + if (((element_number_within_email - (nth_element_within_mail - 1)) % number_of_chooses) == offset) + e[element_counter].checked = 1; + } +} +</script> </HEAD> <BODY bgcolor="white"> <h2>Administrative requests for mailing list: <em>Linux</em></h2>This page contains a summary of the current set of administrative @@ -21,7 +53,27 @@ <p>You can also <a href="http://lug-owl.de/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/linux?details=all">view the details</a> of all held postings. -<FORM action="http://lug-owl.de/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/linux" method="POST" > +<FORM name="chooseall"> + <p>However, you can do moderation pre-discard all emails here + and accept some later on: + <table border> + <tr> + <th>Defer</th> + <th>Accept</th> + <th>Reject</th> + <th>Discard</th> + </tr> + <tr> + <td><INPUT name="chooseall" type="RADIO" value="0" onClick="StatusChange(0)"></td> + <td><INPUT name="chooseall" type="RADIO" value="1" onClick="StatusChange(1)"></td> + <td><INPUT name="chooseall" type="RADIO" value="2" onClick="StatusChange(2)"></td> + <td><INPUT name="chooseall" type="RADIO" value="3" onClick="StatusChange(3)"></td> + </tr> + </table> +</FORM> +<hr> + +<FORM name="emails" action="http://lug-owl.de/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/linux" method="POST" > <center><INPUT name="submit" type="SUBMIT" value="Submit All Data" ></center> <table BORDER="0"> <tr> MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw jbglaw(a)lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 "Eine Freie Meinung in einem Freien Kopf | Gegen Zensur | Gegen Krieg fuer einen Freien Staat voll Freier Bürger" | im Internet! | im Irak! ret = do_actions((curr | FREE_SPEECH) & ~(NEW_COPYRIGHT_LAW | DRM | TCPA));

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