Mailman 3 March 2015 - Mailman-Developers

Mailman installation error: GSOC 2015
by Rajiv Sharma 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi I am Rajiv Sharma, pursuing bachelor of IT engineering at SPIT India. I am interested in contributing to the Mailman project in any way I can. I have subscribed to the mailing list and am currently reviewing the mailman idea page for ideas suiting my skill set. I have 2 years experience of programming in python and java and have dabbled with JavaScript and C# to some extent. Currently I am trying to install mailman referring to ( https://fedorahosted.org/hyperkitty/wiki/DevelopmentSetupGuide). While trying to run setup.py in the virtualenv configured with python3.4 (the minimum required for mailman) I get the following error: No module named setuptools.py I checked and its already installed. What am I missing here? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Rajiv Sharma

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2015 :Mailman Client written in Javascript
by Andrew Stuart 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi Abhishek, If you are going to do this sort of development you will need to become familiar with tools for observing the traffic being sent from the web browser to the web server. What sort of operating system are you using? Right clicking in a browser window that you run your JavaScript code in will generally allow you to bring up Firebug or some similar set of developer tools. There will be a “network” option there somewhere that allows you to see what is being sent between browser and server. You will be able to observe the request headers at that point. You should also install curl and become familiar with using it to send requests to the Mailman REST API. Make sure you have a good look through the curl options because there are lots of helpful options there for looking at headers etc. If you are using Chrome there is a plugin called postman that allows you to send request to REST API’s. This is also helpful. Generally when you are trying to diagnose problems talking to the Mailman REST API you should first use the tools mentioned above to make sure your request is structured properly. Once you are certain you can execute your request properly using one of the tools above, then it is time to try to make your JavaScript code send the same request. If your code is not working, use Firebug to observe the difference between what you are sending and what you made work using the command line tools. If you are doing node.js or some other sort of server executed JavaScript you will need another tool for watching the network traffic. I presume you are running Mailman on a LInux machine. When diagnosing communications between client and server it is helopful on the Linux side to be able to see the network traffic passing to and from the Mailman REST API. To do so, I use the following Linux command: sudo ngrep -W byline -d lo port 7001 This assumes your Mailman REST API is running on port 7001 which it probably is not - I don’t know which port you are running it on - you will have to do a "mailman info” command to find out. It will take you a while to become familiar with the output of ngrep and see what is being sent, but it is worth the effort as this is the most direct route to solving many problem. Finally, to solve the current issue that you have with basic authentication against the Mailman REST API you should just search google for +javascript +basic +auth +stackoverflow - surely there must be some good instructions out there somewhere for how to make basic auth work - it should be pretty straightforward. thanks as On 6 Mar 2015, at 7:20 pm, Abhishek Kumar <abhi170893(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Sorry for the same last 2 mails. Last one was sent accidentally. Are there any ideas regarding the issues i mentioned in them..? Abhilash..? On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Abhishek Kumar <abhi170893(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks Aanand and Abhilash for the help and suggestions. I need further > assistance: > > I tried to write the connection class's rough javascript code. It works > if i bypass the authentication. I have encoded/decoded the authentication > data correctly ( as seemed from printing them and what python client > generates through b64encode(auth.encode('utf-8')).decode('utf-8') ). If > authentication is allowed, the javascript client shows "401, > Unauthorized. The REST API requires authentication." > This happens because the request.auth on line 68 in > src/mailman/rest/root.py is None (see in this > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0/view/head:/src/mail…> file) > even when i am passing the authentication data in the http header . However > there are no issues when i use the python client through shell and > everyhing works fine. I was unable to figure out the issue. Any ideas > regarding what should i do here..? The js code(uses some nodejs) can be > seen here <http://pastebin.com/isxPbsNk>. > > Also i need some guidance on what should i do now towards applying for > this project. Should i go on writing the javascript version by discussing > it with the community..? And regarding what would go into my proposal, my > current understanding stands at mainly writing javascript equivalent of > everything present in _client.py(mailman client) alongwith documentation > and tetsting. What more is required to be done in this project..? > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Abhishek, >> >> On Wednesday 04 March 2015 07:43 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was able to setup the mailman (Core, postorius, mailman.client, >>> postorius_standalone) by downloading them individually. Also with >>> superuser, i can create domains. I have some questions: >>> >>> 1) When i try to create list i get : HTTP Error 500: A server error >>> occurred. Please contact the administrator >> >> Try to find out what error is raised, check the logs in >> var/logs/mailman.log . This error is very common due to the absence to >> postmap command which mailman uses to create postfix maps. Either you >> can set your mta to nullmta by adding the following in yout mailman.cfg >> in var/etc/ >> >> [mta] >> incoming: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA >> outgoing: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA >> >> >> or simply install postfix. >> >>> 2) Though i am able to create domain using postorius ui, i am unable to >> do >>> it by directly using the mailman.client. The development.rst doc says >>> "python manage.py mmclient" can be used for the purpose. But after doing >>> this no client object is created. I also tried tried the way given >>> mailmanclient/docs/using.rst >>> < >> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman.client/trunk/view/head:… >>> >>> with >>> port 8001. This creates client , but that object is unable to talk to >> the >>> rest server. >> >> Just saying that "object is unable to talk to the rest server" doesn't >> help. Make a habit of mentioning the complete traceback from logs when >> you have errors. Do you get a `Mailman API Error`? If yes, check that >> your mailman is running. If not, start it using `mailman start` command. >> >>> 3) Is what i installed using lp:mailman the mailman core..? and this >> handles >>> the rest requests..? >> >> Yes! >> >>> 4) Is there more documentation online other than that available in the >> doc >>> folders of the projects..? I searched online but didn't get any >> developer >>> type documentation. >> >> No, the same documentation is available on readthedocs in a html format. >> >>> 5) If i make any changes in the code, what's the best way to make them >>> reflected in the mailman..? run "python setup.py develop" for that >>> project..? >> >> You don't need to do anything if you ran `python setup.py develop` to >> set it up first time. If you used `python setup.py install` then you >> need to run that again to reflect your changes. >> >>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday 04 March 2015 02:01 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Using the viurtualenv, i was able to complete the setup guide. But i >> am >>>>> required to login at http://localhost:8000/ and there is no option to >>>>> register. So i logged in using Mozilla persona. But even after that i >> am >>>>> not getting any options to create domains and list as described here >>>> >>>> Are you using mailman-bundler? It does not work right now! For >>>> development you'd have to download and setup each projects (Core, >>>> postorius, mailman.client, postorius_standalone) from launchpad. >>>> >>>> Also, only superuser is allowed to create domains. You can create one >> in >>>> django (postorius_standalone) using the command: >>>> >>>> $ python manage.py createsuperuser >>>> >>>> Then you have to login as a superuser using the login credentials given >>>> or through persona. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> thanks, >>>> Abhilash Raj >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Abhishek Kumar > -- Thanks, Abhishek Kumar _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list Mailman-Developers(a)python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/andrew.stuart%40… Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2015 :Mailman Client written in Javascript
by Abhishek Kumar 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi, Sorry for the same last 2 mails. Last one was sent accidentally. Are there any ideas regarding the issues i mentioned in them..? Abhilash..? On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Abhishek Kumar <abhi170893(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks Aanand and Abhilash for the help and suggestions. I need further > assistance: > > I tried to write the connection class's rough javascript code. It works > if i bypass the authentication. I have encoded/decoded the authentication > data correctly ( as seemed from printing them and what python client > generates through b64encode(auth.encode('utf-8')).decode('utf-8') ). If > authentication is allowed, the javascript client shows "401, > Unauthorized. The REST API requires authentication." > This happens because the request.auth on line 68 in > src/mailman/rest/root.py is None (see in this > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/3.0/view/head:/src/mail…> file) > even when i am passing the authentication data in the http header . However > there are no issues when i use the python client through shell and > everyhing works fine. I was unable to figure out the issue. Any ideas > regarding what should i do here..? The js code(uses some nodejs) can be > seen here <http://pastebin.com/isxPbsNk>. > > Also i need some guidance on what should i do now towards applying for > this project. Should i go on writing the javascript version by discussing > it with the community..? And regarding what would go into my proposal, my > current understanding stands at mainly writing javascript equivalent of > everything present in _client.py(mailman client) alongwith documentation > and tetsting. What more is required to be done in this project..? > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Abhishek, >> >> On Wednesday 04 March 2015 07:43 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I was able to setup the mailman (Core, postorius, mailman.client, >> > postorius_standalone) by downloading them individually. Also with >> > superuser, i can create domains. I have some questions: >> > >> > 1) When i try to create list i get : HTTP Error 500: A server error >> > occurred. Please contact the administrator >> >> Try to find out what error is raised, check the logs in >> var/logs/mailman.log . This error is very common due to the absence to >> postmap command which mailman uses to create postfix maps. Either you >> can set your mta to nullmta by adding the following in yout mailman.cfg >> in var/etc/ >> >> [mta] >> incoming: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA >> outgoing: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA >> >> >> or simply install postfix. >> >> > 2) Though i am able to create domain using postorius ui, i am unable to >> do >> > it by directly using the mailman.client. The development.rst doc says >> > "python manage.py mmclient" can be used for the purpose. But after doing >> > this no client object is created. I also tried tried the way given >> > mailmanclient/docs/using.rst >> > < >> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman.client/trunk/view/head:… >> > >> > with >> > port 8001. This creates client , but that object is unable to talk to >> the >> > rest server. >> >> Just saying that "object is unable to talk to the rest server" doesn't >> help. Make a habit of mentioning the complete traceback from logs when >> you have errors. Do you get a `Mailman API Error`? If yes, check that >> your mailman is running. If not, start it using `mailman start` command. >> >> > 3) Is what i installed using lp:mailman the mailman core..? and this >> handles >> > the rest requests..? >> >> Yes! >> >> > 4) Is there more documentation online other than that available in the >> doc >> > folders of the projects..? I searched online but didn't get any >> developer >> > type documentation. >> >> No, the same documentation is available on readthedocs in a html format. >> >> > 5) If i make any changes in the code, what's the best way to make them >> > reflected in the mailman..? run "python setup.py develop" for that >> > project..? >> >> You don't need to do anything if you ran `python setup.py develop` to >> set it up first time. If you used `python setup.py install` then you >> need to run that again to reflect your changes. >> >> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On Wednesday 04 March 2015 02:01 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> Using the viurtualenv, i was able to complete the setup guide. But i >> am >> >>> required to login at http://localhost:8000/ and there is no option to >> >>> register. So i logged in using Mozilla persona. But even after that i >> am >> >>> not getting any options to create domains and list as described here >> >> >> >> Are you using mailman-bundler? It does not work right now! For >> >> development you'd have to download and setup each projects (Core, >> >> postorius, mailman.client, postorius_standalone) from launchpad. >> >> >> >> Also, only superuser is allowed to create domains. You can create one >> in >> >> django (postorius_standalone) using the command: >> >> >> >> $ python manage.py createsuperuser >> >> >> >> Then you have to login as a superuser using the login credentials given >> >> or through persona. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> thanks, >> >> Abhilash Raj >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Abhishek Kumar > -- Thanks, Abhishek Kumar

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GSOC Query for "GitHub/dev tools integration" project/idea
by babhishek21＠yahoo.co.in 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hello, I am Computer Engineering student from Delhi, India. (My Mozilla BugZilla profile: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/user_profile?login=babhishek21%40yahoo.co.in) I find this idea quite interesting. A few quick questions: Which one’s on priority - Mailman 2 or Mailman 3 for this work? The idea description was pretty clear. But just to check, “you want Mailman to open an issue thread whenever a special marked thread on the mailing list is posted?” Additionally, you want the reverse functionality too? (Not a question) It would be better to update the description to “a tool that will take a thread from a Mailman mailing list and turn it into a GitHub issue”. You see a GitHub issue is already a thread unto itself. Who’s going to be the mentor? Any IRC channel/nicks for rapid discussion? Not a proposal, but as a general overview of the task at hand: The GitHub v3 API has a pretty simple for method for posting issues. The Mailman REST API would work well. An important change though would be changing the admin panel to include links and ownership details to a GitHub repo. The other task (automatically mail a Mailman list when a repo gets a new GitHub pull request) does not even require the API. GitHub will automatically mail the owners, whenever a new issue is opened (a pull-request is also an issue). Since Mailman should already have owner access, the mail could simply be forwarded on the list. As an extra, it would be great if we could take it to the next level and allow for GitHub repo statistics to be posted in plain text (in a suitable format) to mailing lists at regular intervals (as an opt-in). So now, short concise commit logs can adorn our glorious mailing lists. Oh… Another idea! To take it further, we could utilise GitHub’s marker/label system for issues. I don’t know if Mailman has any “label/tag” functionality, but it would be sweet to see priority on mailing list threads. Some of the above things might not be possible to implement for all Issue tracking/Repo hosting solutions, but most have industry-grade APIs. For others, we do what we can! So wotsay? I am sorry if I’ve not followed any format/rules. Its just that I could not find any. 😃 Cheers, Abhishek Bhattacharya Sent from Windows Mail

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2015: Willingness to contribute
by Aanand Shekhar Roy 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi Umang, I would suggest setting up mailman would be a good start http://gnu-mailman.readthedocs.org/en/latest/src/mailman/docs/WebUIin5.html and from there your can to jump beginner friendly bugs on launchpad. To get a better insight into mailman system, you can also go through their documentation. https://pythonhosted.org/mailman/src/mailman/docs/START.html If you get stuck you can contact someone at IRC also, at #mailman on freenode. > > > > I am Umang Arora, pursuing my Bachelor of Technology in Computer Science > Engineering from IIIT DELHI India. I am really interested in working on > the > project titled â* A Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderatorsâ *and* > âSubscriber profile pagesâ * under your idea page for GSOC 2015. I am > comfortable in c, c++, Java, Python, PHP, Ruby on Rails, MySQL etc. In > past > I have worked on creating a HR management system for an organization which > actually involved features like profile pages and admin dashboard and was > developed in PHP and MySQL. > > > > Apart from that I have worked on various web development and android > projects. At present I am working on a SaaS project and another SNMP based > occupancy management and analysis portal. You can go through my Github > profile for the same: https://github.com/umangarora. > > > > For my proposal I would really love to get a head start from you guys. I > would really appreciate if any of you would guide me forward and let me > know about bugs to start from considering the projects I am interested in > and any other documentation I must go through while working on this > project. > > ââ > > *Umang Arora* > IIIT-Delhi <http://www.iiitd.ac.in/> > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-developers%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-developers/2013001%40iiitdm… > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Introduction to the Community
by Abhilash Raj 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi Prabhjyot, On Thursday 05 March 2015 01:31 PM, Prabhjyot Singh Sodhi wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I am Prabhjyot, a student from India. I am a sophomore at the Birla > Institute of technology and Science and am studying Computer Science. > > I have programming experience in Python, Java/android, C/C++. I love > contributing to open source projects and have contributed to a variety of > projects in the last quarter. I would love to get started with mailman. > > I am also interested in applying for GSoC with GNU mailman. > I found the following projects interesting: > i) Anonymous Lists > ii) Better handling of list styles You'd have to give me something more than I am interested in these ideas to comment on. There is quite some information given on Ideas Page that you should read first. Also, try to dig through the archives to find out the discussions on these topics. > I am looking at some easy bugs to fix but I would love it if someone could > guide me as to how to proceed with understanding the project ideas in more > detail the related source code better. The link to source code and bug trackers are mentioned in the Ideas Page, please feel free to explore. Setting up a local mailman installation would be a good place to start. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2015: Willingness to contribute
by Abhilash Raj 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi Umang, On Friday 06 March 2015 12:57 AM, Umang Arora wrote: > Hello > > > > I am Umang Arora, pursuing my Bachelor of Technology in Computer Science > Engineering from IIIT DELHI India. I am really interested in working on the > project titled “* A Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderators” *and* > “Subscriber profile pages” * under your idea page for GSOC 2015. I am > comfortable in c, c++, Java, Python, PHP, Ruby on Rails, MySQL etc. In past > I have worked on creating a HR management system for an organization which > actually involved features like profile pages and admin dashboard and was > developed in PHP and MySQL. > > > > Apart from that I have worked on various web development and android > projects. At present I am working on a SaaS project and another SNMP based > occupancy management and analysis portal. You can go through my Github > profile for the same: https://github.com/umangarora. > > > > For my proposal I would really love to get a head start from you guys. I > would really appreciate if any of you would guide me forward and let me > know about bugs to start from considering the projects I am interested in > and any other documentation I must go through while working on this project. > The links to bug tracker and documentation is mentioned in the Ideas Page. Also, there are discussions going on this very list about the project ideas that you mentioned. Please read the archives (Link in the footer) and ask more specific questions. -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC 2015 :Mailman Client written in Javascript
by Abhilash Raj 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hi Abhishek, On Wednesday 04 March 2015 07:43 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: > Hi, > > I was able to setup the mailman (Core, postorius, mailman.client, > postorius_standalone) by downloading them individually. Also with > superuser, i can create domains. I have some questions: > > 1) When i try to create list i get : HTTP Error 500: A server error > occurred. Please contact the administrator Try to find out what error is raised, check the logs in var/logs/mailman.log . This error is very common due to the absence to postmap command which mailman uses to create postfix maps. Either you can set your mta to nullmta by adding the following in yout mailman.cfg in var/etc/ [mta] incoming: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA outgoing: mailman.mta.null.NullMTA or simply install postfix. > 2) Though i am able to create domain using postorius ui, i am unable to do > it by directly using the mailman.client. The development.rst doc says > "python manage.py mmclient" can be used for the purpose. But after doing > this no client object is created. I also tried tried the way given > mailmanclient/docs/using.rst > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman.client/trunk/view/head:…> > with > port 8001. This creates client , but that object is unable to talk to the > rest server. Just saying that "object is unable to talk to the rest server" doesn't help. Make a habit of mentioning the complete traceback from logs when you have errors. Do you get a `Mailman API Error`? If yes, check that your mailman is running. If not, start it using `mailman start` command. > 3) Is what i installed using lp:mailman the mailman core..? and this handles > the rest requests..? Yes! > 4) Is there more documentation online other than that available in the doc > folders of the projects..? I searched online but didn't get any developer > type documentation. No, the same documentation is available on readthedocs in a html format. > 5) If i make any changes in the code, what's the best way to make them > reflected in the mailman..? run "python setup.py develop" for that > project..? You don't need to do anything if you ran `python setup.py develop` to set it up first time. If you used `python setup.py install` then you need to run that again to reflect your changes. > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Wednesday 04 March 2015 02:01 PM, Abhishek Kumar wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Using the viurtualenv, i was able to complete the setup guide. But i am >>> required to login at http://localhost:8000/ and there is no option to >>> register. So i logged in using Mozilla persona. But even after that i am >>> not getting any options to create domains and list as described here >> >> Are you using mailman-bundler? It does not work right now! For >> development you'd have to download and setup each projects (Core, >> postorius, mailman.client, postorius_standalone) from launchpad. >> >> Also, only superuser is allowed to create domains. You can create one in >> django (postorius_standalone) using the command: >> >> $ python manage.py createsuperuser >> >> Then you have to login as a superuser using the login credentials given >> or through persona. >> >> -- >> thanks, >> Abhilash Raj >> >> > > -- thanks, Abhilash Raj

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GSOC 2015: Willingness to contribute
by Umang Arora 06 Mar '15

06 Mar '15

Hello I am Umang Arora, pursuing my Bachelor of Technology in Computer Science Engineering from IIIT DELHI India. I am really interested in working on the project titled “* A Dashboard for Admins/Owners/Moderators” *and* “Subscriber profile pages” * under your idea page for GSOC 2015. I am comfortable in c, c++, Java, Python, PHP, Ruby on Rails, MySQL etc. In past I have worked on creating a HR management system for an organization which actually involved features like profile pages and admin dashboard and was developed in PHP and MySQL. Apart from that I have worked on various web development and android projects. At present I am working on a SaaS project and another SNMP based occupancy management and analysis portal. You can go through my Github profile for the same: https://github.com/umangarora. For my proposal I would really love to get a head start from you guys. I would really appreciate if any of you would guide me forward and let me know about bugs to start from considering the projects I am interested in and any other documentation I must go through while working on this project. *Umang Arora* IIIT-Delhi <http://www.iiitd.ac.in/>

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Same/different fake ids for every thread in an anonymous list
by Rashi Karanpuria 05 Mar '15

05 Mar '15

Hi all I wish to seek your opinion regarding generating fake id in anonymous list. There are two options to choose from 1) Different fake id for user per thread 2) Same fake id for user regardless of thread Which do you think is better Regards Rashi

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