Mailman 3 March 2015 - Mailman-Developers

Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC'15: Improving styles for lists
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

prakhar joshi writes: > what if we create separate tables for each class in the > mailman/src/mailman/styles/base.py and store the name and their attributes > in it with user_name with it. Who are these "users" (subscribers? admins?) and why do you want to associate styles with users? Please use more descriptive terms unless you really need to describe something generic. But here IIRC the styles are for lists, and therefore the relevant users are list admins. However, why would … [View More]

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GitHub/development tools integration project Gsoc'15
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

Prabhanshu Abhishek writes: > but the thing i want to know is, > 1) what are the other feature you want to implement through this.other than > the mailing a thread,or pull requests. The fact that the project doesn't have a mentor listed probably means you'll need to flesh out the requirements yourself. > 2)the gsoc idea page says that it is necessary to fix at least one > bug, but i have not been able to find some bug that is beginner > friendly and related to my … [View More]

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Invitation to "adopt pytest month"
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

This is spam. Don't do it without checking with the list owner (coursemailman-developers-owner(a)python.org) first. Brianna Laugher writes: [spam deleted]

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GitHub/Development tools integration project Gsoc'15
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

Please don't repost material you've already mostly posted. Just put your proposal in Melange and we'll get to it. Unless you're getting close to your limit of 5 (or whatever, that was the limit last year), in which case you should ask the GSoC staffers how to withdraw proposals you aren't going to implement. See also "Use of the mailing list during the application period" which I just posted to this list. Prabhanshu Abhishek writes: > I have given much thought on how it can be … [View More]

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Message threading - requesting some wisdom
by Andrew Stuart March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

Hi folks I assume a great deal of thought has gone into message threading and how it works. Is there anyone willing to share the basics with me - specifically as it relates to Mailman and related projects? There is of course plenty of information on google which I am researching including the seminal http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html but if there is anyone on the Mailman team willing to give me a Mailman oriented understanding that would be great. It appears to me there are a number of … [View More]

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Use of the mailing list during the application period
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

Hi! First, let me thank you all for your applications. I was a little worried when were approved as an org ourselves, but we've got a bunch of good ideas and nicely done applications here, so we aren't going to have trouble filling our slots, I think. Second, I don't necessarily speak for the other mentors, but I have a reasonably good track record in channeling Barry and Mark and Terri at least. So judge for yourself if my "rules of the list" make sense for you. Now, to the main topic. … [View More]As I see it, you should use the mailing lists: 1. *Before* you have filed an application at all. (However, at this point I would suggest filing *something*. Remember, we can't accept any student who is unknown to Melange no matter how much he or she contributes on the list. We will make the decision based on what's on Melange at the deadline, and you can edit until then.) 2. If Melange is unavailable. 3. For asking about requirements. What is it that Mailman doesn't do that it should? What do subscribers, moderators, list owners and site admins want it to do? What does it do that is annoying and should stop, or should be optional? Of course your opinions are relevant, but in the end if you're the only user, you can fork and be happy. So the lists are where you'll get opinions from real users, and know what will benefit the whole community. 4. For communicating with others about parts of Mailman *not* directly related to your project, such as installation, testing, use of the VCS, how to write schedules, etc. 5. To poke the mentors when they really seem to be asleep (no activity for 36-48 hours). 6. (Maybe) To announce that your initial proposal has been posted. But see #1 under "should not". 7. To announce "important" updates to your *blog* that may be of general interest. For example, you could post your proposal there for non-mentors to see (I don't necessarily recommend that, see #2 below). You should *not* use the mailing lists, but rather use Melange: 1. To announce updates to your proposal. Mentors will get pings from Melange about changes to your proposal, and should be looking frequently anyway. Other participants in the mailing list have no need to know and probably don't care to know. And I'm really busy and getting a ton of mail right now, and so are several other mentors. There's a good chance that anything on the list will get dropped on the floor if I don't address it right away. I will be looking at all Mailman proposals (as well as some PSF and Systers proposals) daily in any case. 2. To ask about design and scheduling issues. There are two reasons for this. First, most of you are concentrated on two or three projects, and so are competing with each other. Personally, I give extra points to people who openly discuss their ideas in the spirit of "may the best proposal win", but realistically, you may not want to depend on that, and keep your proposal between you and the mentors until acceptance decisions are made. Second, this is the same division of responsibility as between MLs and issue trackers. If you post to the ML and a mentor replies there, both the question and the answer stand a fair chance of getting dropped on the floor and not helping to improve your proposal. If the Q & A take place in comments on the proposal, or even in the proposal itself, points that didn't get addressed early on will be right there for your later review, etc. Hope this helps. Steve [View Less]

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GSoC 2015 Introduction
by Ana Badescu March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

Hello, I'm Ana Badescu, and I'm a first year Artificial Intelligence graduate at Polytechnic University of Bucharest, Faculty of Automatic Control and Computer Science, looking to participate in GSOC 2015, hopefully with Mailman! You might believe that I arrived late. However, I have just installed the mailman client, mailman core and the Postorius and got them up and running in their own env. Can't believe how straight-forward it was! Once I'm done reading the contribution guides, I'll pick … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] MIME footers
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

Murray S. Kucherawy writes: > The difference between this idea and "l=" is that there's still a > signature covering the added part, that of the MLM. No, there isn't, not when it leaves the poster's MTA. This is the same for your proposal and for "l=". People have learned to deal with top-posting, they could have learned to deal with adding all new content at the end, too. But they haven't. > By contrast, "l=" leaves the appended bit unsigned. But it need not. The MLM (or … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] GSOC'15: Improving styles for lists
by Stephen J. Turnbull March 20, 2015

March 20, 2015

prakhar joshi writes: > One thing how these templates will be stored for the user is still a doubt > for me ? Can you please help me with that ? Not until late next week. I haven't thought about the problem at all. Anyway, designing the implementation is really your job. Here's how I would go about thinking about it. First, let's try to reuse existing structure in Mailman. What's most similar to a template for a list? Probably a list. So consider using the same structure. Next … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Invitation to "adopt pytest month"
by Andrew Stuart March 19, 2015

March 19, 2015

I’m working on a large project closely related to Mailman and I use pietist currently for my 700 tests. On 20 Mar 2015, at 8:57 am, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hello, I am a contributor to the testing library pytest, and in April we are holding "adopt pytest month". We are inviting open source projects who are interested in possibly taking up pytest, to be paired with experienced pytest users, who can help them convert and write tests, and show ways to make the … [View More]

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