Mailman 3 June 2003 - Edu-sig

PyWife
by Arthur 27 Jun '03

27 Jun '03

http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2003/04/08/pywife.html which I happened to have come across when looking at what is doing in the realm of .Net and Python interoperability. The PyHusband being author of Kobra - a effort in that direction. I understand that Python.Net is not itself in the cards for the time being. But other forms of interoperability seem to be possible, and there are a few projects underway. PyMyWife - extending My(paricular)Wife to interoperate with Python - happens also to not be in the cards. We stay together for the kid. Art

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re: Terminology question: just operator overriding?
by Arthur 27 Jun '03

27 Jun '03

Kirby asks- >So do we call it "operator overriding" in all these cases, or >do some people say "syntax overriding" or something else that >sounds more general than "operator". I understand that this is not the extent of your question, but are we starting from an agreement that accepted terminolgy is: *overload* operators and *override* methods. And to me, you are "overriding built-in methods" in your examples. But then, why do you raise this? Art

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Fwd: Hacking and Refactoring
by Jason Cunliffe 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

An interesting response by Eric Raymond about OpenSource and Agile Manifesto, inspired by Martin Fowler. Touches on some good topics, and as my mind goes, seems relevant to this list. learn-by-doing experiment play design etc.. enjoy Jason http://armedndangerous.blogspot.com/ Saturday, June 14, 2003 Hacking and Refactoring: <quote> While doing research for my forthcoming book, The Art of Unix Programming, I read one particular passage in Fowler's Refactoring that finally brought it all home. He writes: One argument is that refactoring can be an alternative to up-front design. In this scenario, you don't do any design at all. You just code the first approach that comes into your head, get it working, and then refactor it into shape. Actually, this approach can work. I've seen people do this and come out with a very well-defined piece of software. Those who support Extreme Programming often are portrayed as advocating this approach. I read this, and had one of those moments where everything comes together in your head with a great ringing crash and the world assumes a new shape-a moment not unlike the one I had in late 1996 when I got the central insight that turned into The Cathedral and the Bazaar. In the remainder of this essay I'm going to try to articulate what I now think I understand about open source, agile programming, how they are related, and why the connection should be interesting even to programmers with no stake in either movement... </quote> http://armedndangerous.blogspot.com/

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re: Hello, and a new toy.
by Arthur 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

>Hello. >I plopped some software out on sourceforge, >thought you folks might want to play with it. >It's GPL, and written using wxPython. >drpython.sourcefore.net >The goal is to create a clean, simple ide >that is reminiscent of DrScheme. I took a test drive and found it clean and simple. The ability to set arguments is something I often find necessary and have found that an obvious way to do so - there in DrPython - to be missing from some more complex IDEs (though it's usually is there somewhere). OTOH, there isn't a lot of functionality of the sort that I tend not to pay much attention to. Clean and simple. Since it is wxPython based, is it possible it would make sense to call the enhanced shell, PyShell, shipped now with wxPython, rather than the plain old prompt? I am glad I am not in the Python IDE business though. A plethora of options and riches. Art

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RE: Python in High School, [Ofset-freeduc] PythonCard?
by Dean Goodmanson 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

I really can't tell by the last few posts if these are related, but I've been waiting for someone to point at PythonCard ( http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ ) in relation to the "Drag-and-Drop for Teaching Python" post. I've found Pythoncard is more VB-Like than HyperCard, and from reading the list off-and-on it has got the 'up and building in no time' feel. Cross-platform (and free) is a plus with the requirement of OS X for Mac. You may also be interested in the PyKarel project implementing Karel the Robot in Python http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykarel/ (Home page currently didn't render for me. Article here: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/python/2002/10/24/pythonnews.html Tossing potentially redundant information over the fence, Dean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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RE: Edu-sig digest, Vol 1 #704 - 1 msg
by John Posner 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

>> -----Original Message----- >> From: edu-sig-admin(a)python.org >> [mailto:edu-sig-admin@python.org] On Behalf Of >> edu-sig-request(a)python.org >> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:00 PM >> To: edu-sig(a)python.org >> Subject: Edu-sig digest, Vol 1 #704 - 1 msg >> >> >> Send Edu-sig mailing list submissions to >> edu-sig(a)python.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> edu-sig-request(a)python.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> edu-sig-admin(a)python.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >> specific than "Re: Contents of Edu-sig digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: python in high school (Doug Holton) >> >> --__--__-- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:50:56 -0500 >> From: Doug Holton <etd1(a)edtechdev.org> >> Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] python in high school >> To: edu-sig(a)python.org >> >> > I would like to use python as the programming language for the >> > programming subjects we run. Ideally, it would be an easy >> task if Boa >> > constructor were up to scratch (which I hope it will be >> soon, but not >> > soon enough for our >> > college) since having a graphical IDE is important. Price >> is important. I >> > have come to python through plone (zope/cmf). We have a >> toss up between VB >> > 6.0 and me pushing for python. The decision needs to be >> made soon for next >> > year. We were using J++ (don't ask). Low price will push >> it past the 'all >> > the other programming teachers like VB' hurdle, as long >> as it had an IDE >> > that had drag and drop components. I think this would >> also be good for >> > python in the long term in terms of increasing python use. >> >> I'm very new to Python myself, but Qt seems to have an easy >> to use GUI >> builder that you can connect to Python using PyQt: >> http://www.trolltech.com/forms/eduprogram.html >> See also the book: http://www.opendocspublishing.com/pyqt/ >> >> I wrote a summary of some different rapid prototyping >> options, including >> the one you mentioned (Boa Constructor with wxPython): >> >> http://edtechdev.org/blog/archives/001217.html >> >> But I'm not >> >> sure if a GUI builder tool is necessary for your purposes. >> To use python for learning programming, the IDLE text >> editor is probably >> more appropriate. Learning the principles of programming >> is different >> than rapid prototyping. >> >> But I do agree with you that it would be nice to have a >> drag and drop >> Python GUI builder that kills VB. You drag a button into a >> form editor, >> for example, then doubleclick the button and it jumps right to the >> "onclick" handler in the code editor. This is how HyperCard and >> Supercard work too, but PythonCard and the other Python GUI >> builders do >> not do it this way. Again though, for students in >> programming classes, >> it's better that they learn how to create the event >> handlers themselves. >> >> >> >> >> >> --__--__-- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Edu-sig mailing list >> Edu-sig(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >> >> >> End of Edu-sig Digest >>

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Re: [Edu-sig] python in high school
by Doug Holton 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

> I would like to use python as the programming language for the programming > subjects we run. Ideally, it would be an easy task if Boa constructor were > up to scratch (which I hope it will be soon, but not soon enough for our > college) since having a graphical IDE is important. Price is important. I > have come to python through plone (zope/cmf). We have a toss up between VB > 6.0 and me pushing for python. The decision needs to be made soon for next > year. We were using J++ (don't ask). Low price will push it past the 'all > the other programming teachers like VB' hurdle, as long as it had an IDE > that had drag and drop components. I think this would also be good for > python in the long term in terms of increasing python use. I'm very new to Python myself, but Qt seems to have an easy to use GUI builder that you can connect to Python using PyQt: http://www.trolltech.com/forms/eduprogram.html See also the book: http://www.opendocspublishing.com/pyqt/ I wrote a summary of some different rapid prototyping options, including the one you mentioned (Boa Constructor with wxPython): http://edtechdev.org/blog/archives/001217.html But I'm not sure if a GUI builder tool is necessary for your purposes. To use python for learning programming, the IDLE text editor is probably more appropriate. Learning the principles of programming is different than rapid prototyping. But I do agree with you that it would be nice to have a drag and drop Python GUI builder that kills VB. You drag a button into a form editor, for example, then doubleclick the button and it jumps right to the "onclick" handler in the code editor. This is how HyperCard and Supercard work too, but PythonCard and the other Python GUI builders do not do it this way. Again though, for students in programming classes, it's better that they learn how to create the event handlers themselves.

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Fw: [Ofset-freeduc] PythonCard?
by Arthur 14 Jun '03

14 Jun '03

Look what Freeduc found. This kind of inquiry is actually unusual for that list. Perhaps someone from here who knows PythonCard (I haven't used it) might respond to Hilaire. Kevin? The list is at ofset-freeduc(a)lists.sourceforge.net Hilaire's address is below. Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilaire Fernandes" <hilaire(a)ext.cri74.org> To: "OFSET members" <ofset-members(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: "Freeduc" <ofset-freeduc(a)lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 2:34 AM Subject: [Ofset-freeduc] PythonCard? > Hello > > Some of you do they know PyhtonCard? > > http://www.ofset.org/freeduc/view.php?softwareID=166 > > Hilaire Fernandes > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.NET email is sponsored by: eBay > Great deals on office technology -- on eBay now! Click here: > http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/711-11697-6916-5 > _______________________________________________ > Ofset-freeduc mailing list > Ofset-freeduc(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ofset-freeduc

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Hello, and a new toy.
by DanSV＠aol.com 12 Jun '03

12 Jun '03

Hello. I plopped some software out on sourceforge, thought you folks might want to play with it. It's GPL, and written using wxPython. drpython.sourcefore.net The goal is to create a clean, simple ide that is reminiscent of DrScheme. Cheers, Dan

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re: intro
by Arthur 12 Jun '03

12 Jun '03

Simon writes: >Hullo fellow python champions, thought i'd introduce myself. >I lecture in programming and "design structures"(=math) to >postgraduates in electronic arts >at the Australian Centre for the Arts ant Technology (ACAT): >http://www.anu.edu.au/ITA/ACAT/ >I also work with artists programming python for real-time/interactive >image/sound stuff. Thought you might be interested in what a countryman is up to, as it seems to me it has great potential in the "Arts and Technology" arena. Don't know the geography - but maybe you can even make Shaun's seminar. A recent posting of Shaun Press from the VPython list: """ I have modified Visual Python to run on The Wedge system at the Department of Computer Science, Australian National University. The Wedge is a 3D Immersive Environment, which presents scenes in real 3D. The details about The Wedge can be found at http://escience.anu.edu.au (usage information) and http://ephebe.anu.edu.au/wedge/index.html (technical and hardware information). Credit must also go to Hugh Fisher (author of the Stereo Visual Python Program) for assisting with the 3D transformation calculations. I have also added a couple of extras to Visual Python New shapes: Pyramid and Frustum New shape set: Points (which are a set of single points on the screen) New shape attribute: Wire (when true the shape is drawn as a wire frame) I am giving a seminar next week on the project and I hope to have slides/screenshots/source available after that. Shaun Press Department of Systems Engineering Research School of Information Sciences and Engineering Australian National University """

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